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[1377x]

There really is no clear cut answer to this question.  Each state tends to have its own rules and those are based on guidelines from the US government.  But in most cases that have gone to court, airguns fail to be classified as firearms so the case of a shthing are thrown out.


Carl

its more the state its self than the US government.here's an example
there are only 2 states in the whole US that dont allow trigger devices for simulated full auto firing of a firearm.the bmf trigger activator gives the trigger a gattling gun effect,allowed by the atf in the whole US
mn and ca made them illegal in their states.even though illegal in theses states one could still get the device
just because its deemed illegal doesnt mean it can not be sold.the last i heard the US spends more money on illegal drugs than anywhere in the world.its up to the individual person to check the laws and decide if they want to be a criminal or law abiding citizen
look at the gamo whisper or the maurader being sold directly from the factory/company.why they can get away with it is anybody's guess.

[quickster47 †]

Even the new .357 Crosman Rogue has a shroud and baffles and is supposed to be quiet when fired.  And that gun has been making the rounds of different States with no problem.  Go figure...

Carl

[NorthStaR]

It could be to do with the item being threaded or built in. Eg; a 1/2 unf thread versus a shroud?

One being deemed more permanent and potentially less adaptable?

One being sold factory quiet versus one that can be made quiet? 

Or just detachable?

I'm just throwing these ideas out, I have no idea! 

[eric]

factory quiet is exceptable legally --- made to on the other hand is questionable depending on location

[quickster47 †]

factory quiet is acceptable legally --- made to on the other hand is questionable depending on location

Both your point eric and Northstar's point are very plausible, understandable and probably the reality of the Crosman stuff.

Carl

[1377x]

heres the other example of grey area US law
the thompson contender
its a pistol and a rifle by old US law that is illegal but thompson got to do it legally and no one else could do it legally.
recently the law changed to allow pistols to become rifles without a short barrel/aow tax stamp but iirc you still have to use a 16" barrel.if you ask 100 people including the atf, you will get 100 different answers
its always a grey area in the US
when it comes to airguns they are regulated by individual states,not the US government

[cmj21973]

http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/KRS/TITLES.HTM
http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/KYSL.pdf

Ok, so my understanding is that airguns & whatchamacallit's fall under Federal regs in KY.

[1377x]

http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/KRS/TITLES.HTM
http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/KYSL.pdf

Ok, so my understanding is that airguns & whatchamacallit's fall under Federal regs in KY.

how did you come to this conclusion?
i didnt see anything in the second link or the first one but maybe i missed it

[eric]

airguns ARE NOT federally  regulated  ---- they ARE NOT fire arms ----- some states will regulate them (air rifles and/or air pistols) for what ever reasons they have

[Crosshairs]

airguns ARE NOT federally  regulated  ---- they ARE NOT fire arms ----- some states will regulate them (air rifles and/or air pistols) for what ever reasons they have

x2     Thank you eric 

[cmj21973]

how did you come to this conclusion?
i didnt see anything in the second link or the first one but maybe i missed it

1) As the two previous link, covering state & local firearm regs,  define a firearm as weapons that expels a projectile by an explosive. Therefore, airgun not a firearm.

2) As the two previous link, covering state & local firearm regs, don't mention anything about a shh for airgun or firearm. They must fall under Federal regs. The ones for firearms are legal to own/possess here, if you pay $200 and apply for permit per Federal reg.

Seeing as there are NO Federal regs on airguns, a shh designed/made/sold  for or on an airgun falls in the grey area.

This is the only document that even mentions airguns.
http://fw.ky.gov/pdf/1112huntingguideentire.pdf

[catapult]

no, an airgun is not a firearm,

but a whatchamacallit IS considered to be, if you can put it on a firearm.  Thats why guns like the gamo whisper and full barrel shrouds are OK

[NorthStaR]

Also commercial shrouds are in general internally different to a Ssssh tube but both can reduce the report.
The difference in tech may account for one being OK over another.

[Make MY day]

In NJ, any Airgun, whether it shoots pellets or just air, are considered Firearms and regulated.  But then to, are Slingshots and Peashooters.  The funny thing though, is that the same people who pushed for laws like these are the same ones who, if they move to states like Florida, after getting their DL changed, they go right out and purchase a handgun then get a CCW permit. 

[dpricenator]

Mike at TKO22.com went in to a ton of detail regardign the rules and why they exist.  Let's just say, on the phone he does not call it a muzzle brake.  Also his Muzzle brakes could not be installed on a firearm, as they would explode into a million pieces from the muzzle blast.  Since AGs are not firearms and this part could not be installed on a firearm, the muzzle brake is not claasified as a firearm, or illeagal.  of ocurse all this is going to up to the interpretation of your DA, should you run into issues.  I'm certainly not going to walk down the streets waving mine around.  But i'll be danged if my gun doesn't sound like a quiet fart.