Do most of you paper shooters use .177? I am putting huge holes in the 5 meter targets. Seems like it would be hard to score especially if you put pellets side by side.
I prefer .177 for paper targets. I periodcially will use .20 or .22. As long as you have a firm backer to the target and use wadcutters, you should get nice crisp holes that are not difficult to score.
Scoring gauges are a nice accessory to have. Other ways to differentiate scores are to look for evidence of the pellet skirt marks on the paper and simply placing unfired pellets on the target to try and decipher groupings.
Yeah it's a pain in the butt I put construction paper behind mine it helps some. On print it on construction paper sometimes.
Mike
I shoot mostly .177, but .22 occasionally for targets. RC
Quote from: mackelby on February 01, 2013, 05:00:50 AM
I am putting huge holes in the 5 meter targets.
I cut empty cereal boxes (end up getting 2 backers per box) and tape my targets to them. Pretty low-tech, but leaves nice, crisp holes in both .177 and .22 :-*
As Breakfastchef stated, using wadcutters will make the best holes...
Todd
If you are shooting .177 for precision at 10 meters, the DIY paper targets on printer paper won't cut it. You will need the heavy card stock NRA type targets and good wadcutter pellets, your shots will be very easy to measure or score (clean cut holes)
Quote from: HappyHunter on February 01, 2013, 06:07:54 PM
I cut empty cereal boxes (end up getting 2 backers per box) and tape my targets to them. Pretty low-tech, but leaves nice, crisp holes in both .177 and .22 :-*
As Breakfastchef stated, using wadcutters will make the best holes...
Todd
I do the exact same thing here.
So the thicker cardboard is NOT the way to go? I am using pretty thick cardboard boxes with a blanket in it. When using cereal box what are you using to stop the pellet? I am shooting indoors at this time.
Quote from: mackelby on February 01, 2013, 07:33:24 PM
So the thicker cardboard is NOT the way to go? I am using pretty thick cardboard boxes with a blanket in it. When using cereal box what are you using to stop the pellet? I am shooting indoors at this time.
The thicker cardboard is used only as a backer for the target (which I print on 65 lb card stock or 67lb cover stock, available from your local office supply store); it is
not used as the pellet stop. I, and many others, use duct seal as the pellet stop, placed as a double thickness in a box constructed of scrap lumber with a clip on the front/top to hold the target and backer.
Larry could you post a picture please, when you get a chance, please?
Here's one I made mackelby...
could have turned out better.....my woodshop projects usually don't work
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh508/WyoMan/trap1.jpg)
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh508/WyoMan/trap2.jpg)
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh508/WyoMan/trap3.jpg)
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh508/WyoMan/trap4.jpg)
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh508/WyoMan/trap5.jpg)
I mostly use cardboard box with phone books but I made the duct seal one for when I travel :)
Quote from: mackelby on February 01, 2013, 07:51:40 PM
Larry could you post a picture please, when you get a chance, please?
WyoMan posted a picture that is as good as any you will see, although there are lots of threads here and on Gaterway to Airguns on making duct seal pellet traps. Since it appears you are not familiar with duct seal, you can buy it at Lowe's or Home Depot, or other big box stores of that type. It is found in the
electrical section, not in plumbing (which is where most employees will try to direct you, since they have no idea what it is). It is usually found on the bottom shelf in a white box that is only two blocks wide (see the picture for what a block is), and there will seldom be very many blocks in the box; you may have to ask someone to check for other stock. Here is a link so you will have some idea what you are looking for:
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100212441/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=duct+seal&storeId=10051#.UQwfh2ftJ0Q (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100212441/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=duct+seal&storeId=10051#.UQwfh2ftJ0Q)
Last time I bought some the shelf was empty, but the stocking cart was in the isle and low and behold....there was a brand new box in it! Sometimes ya just get lucky!
I have had the wood sitting on my back porch for 3 months to make a couple of traps. I really should get at it!
Rich
I pretty much cleaned out Lowe and home depot so just for the heck of it I dropped by orchard supply and they had a bunch.
duct seal junkies ;D ;D they are going to think we are making crack or something.. a run on duct seal!
As far as target paper goes I've been using what they call 'tag' paper for printing my targets. it works pretty good but not as good as Edelmann Targets. I'm also now experimenting with 100# card stock that Staples printed me a count of 100 targets to try.
I also use wadcutter pellets for target shooting. They give a much cleaner/sharper punch on the paper.
Another thing I am building is a new target box that uses rubber mulch made from old tires and such. My problem is how to keep the stuff in place after you put it in a box.
Carl
Quote from: farrlarr on February 01, 2013, 09:04:27 PM
WyoMan posted a picture that is as good as any you will see, although there are lots of threads here and on Gaterway to Airguns on making duct seal pellet traps. Since it appears you are not familiar with duct seal, you can buy it at Lowe's or Home Depot, or other big box stores of that type. It is found in the electrical section, not in plumbing (which is where most employees will try to direct you, since they have no idea what it is). It is usually found on the bottom shelf in a white box that is only two blocks wide (see the picture for what a block is), and there will seldom be very many blocks in the box; you may have to ask someone to check for other stock. Here is a link so you will have some idea what you are looking for:
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100212441/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=duct+seal&storeId=10051#.UQwfh2ftJ0Q (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100212441/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=duct+seal&storeId=10051#.UQwfh2ftJ0Q)
Glad you told me that! Now I don't need to order it online. I had no idea.
-AJ
Thanks for kind words mr farrlarr :) .....I had to go to 3 different HD's to find the duct seal
wish someone like you had told me it was in electrical because the help there didn't know
Quote from: arkmaker on February 01, 2013, 10:29:30 PM
duct seal junkies ;D ;D they are going to think we are making crack or something.. a run on duct seal!
lol Rich i have 3 target holders with duct seal but been wanting to try the rubber stuff like Carl is doing.
Quote from: WyoMan on February 02, 2013, 01:19:19 AM
Thanks for kind words mr farrlarr :) .....I had to go to 3 different HD's to find the duct seal
wish someone like you had told me it was in electrical because the help there didn't know
I like the handle you made Wyo it reminds me of wood shop from school.
Mike
I continue to have very good results with targets printed on typical printer paper. I know that better quality, heavier stock does lend itself to more precise holes from pellets, but the standard paper works fine as long as 1) you use a firm backer and 2) the target is flat against the backer. I prefer using foam-core board (available from art/craft stores), but also get good results from cardboard and corrugated cardboard. Backers should be changed frequently to prevent shooting into previous pellet holes.
Quote from: Crosshairs on February 02, 2013, 01:24:25 AM
I like the handle you made Wyo it reminds me of wood shop from school.
Mike
Thanks Mike :) .....My 7th grade woodshop project, still works after 42 years ;D
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh508/WyoMan/DSC02518_zps7e1c42de.jpg)
But back to paper targets...I do what you do...print on construction paper or card stock :-*
Chef, I used that foam core stuff and it worked really well but then I ran out
I use regular copier paper, cheap light weight kind and get perfect holes in my paper at 400fps.
I made a duct seal insert for my trap that the target can be stuck directly to the duct seal.
Freshly cleaned and smoothed after each target, I can even find and prove which hole was the
perfect 'one holer' with 2 or more pellets stacked.
For the power i shoot indoors, 1/2" thick duct seal is more than enough to stop my HW30 and Walther LGR at 620fps
with 7.9 grain pellets...even if up to 5 shots are stacked in same hole.
1/2" also stops my FWB 124, (12fpe)...once,, no double hits.
Here is a target from last years CAPOF on-line match that I shot last year.
Quote from: WyoMan on February 02, 2013, 01:19:19 AM
Thanks for kind words mr farrlarr :) .....I had to go to 3 different HD's to find the duct seal
wish someone like you had told me it was in electrical because the help there didn't know
De nada. You did a good job.
It is a good thing that we have folks around to pass on the info about duct seal [I benefited from someone else explaining it (don't remember who at this point)] since I have only found one Lowe's employee to date, and none at Home Depot (either here or in Corpus Christi, Texas), who had any idea what it was or where to find it. I guess it is just too exotic a product for anyone in the store to know about it!
Seeing as how I cannot figure out how to put a previous comment in blue to respond to a certain part of a comment, I will cut a and paste. Carl, you said "Another thing I am building is a new target box that uses rubber mulch made from old tires and such. My problem is how to keep the stuff in place after you put it in a box." I was wondering would saran wrap work? Maybe if it wasn't stretched to tight?
Quote from: mackelby on February 02, 2013, 04:58:12 PM
Seeing as how I cannot figure out how to put a previous comment in blue to respond to a certain part of a comment, I will cut a and paste. Carl, you said "Another thing I am building is a new target box that uses rubber mulch made from old tires and such. My problem is how to keep the stuff in place after you put it in a box." I was wondering would saran wrap work? Maybe if it wasn't stretched to tight?
I think carpet might work.
i stuff my pellet trap with old magazines. trouble is deciding which ones to sacrifice, naturally the wife and kids mags go first but when i get to mine i end up reading more than stuffing ??? i then use a clipboard clip top and bottom to hold target firm.
How about an old air filter to hold the tire mulch in place. Kind of self healing to a point I would think, but would still need to be changed out frequently? What do they use at the PB ranges? Next time I go to mine I will ask. They use the mulch there.
Rich
I have two rubber mulch traps. Both going strong with over a year of use. I retain the mulch with a sheet of corrugated cardboard and a few stiff wires inserted from one sode of the box to the other. The cardboard does need to be replaced fairly frequently. I have cleaned the mulch two times by dumping it out, shaking most of the pellets towards the bottom and taking handfulls of mulch and dumping back into the trap.
The cardboard is a good idea and that is what I will probably end up using for my first attempt. Cheap and easy to replace.
Sure do wish there was something like cardboard that would be sort of self healing.
Carl
i believe there is a rubber mating made from recycled tires, would have a semi healing effect. cant remember if i have seen it for workshop floors or horse stalls, maybe both. hmm i might even try that myself it it was durable enough might even just cut it into squares and fill the trap,
Quote from: mackelby on February 02, 2013, 04:58:12 PM
Seeing as how I cannot figure out how to put a previous comment in blue to respond to a certain part of a comment, I will cut a and paste. Carl, you said "Another thing I am building is a new target box that uses rubber mulch made from old tires and such. My problem is how to keep the stuff in place after you put it in a box." I was wondering would saran wrap work? Maybe if it wasn't stretched to tight?
I just highlight the text you want blue and pick blue from the menu on the top right.
Edit: Unless you meant the quote function. Instead of reply, just hit the quote button on the right of their post.
I know what would work. I should gets royalty for this.
Ready?
Sod.
-AJ
You guys talk of duct seal. What about plumbers putty? It can be found in the HVAC section and plumbing section
Duct seal is denser/harder and does a better job of stopping and absorbing the pellet. I need about 5" to stop pellets from my Talon.
Quote from: AgentWD40_FL on February 03, 2013, 01:50:40 AM
You guys talk of duct seal. What about plumbers putty? It can be found in the HVAC section and plumbing section
No to plumbers putty. It can barely stop a BB.
QuoteSeeing as how I cannot figure out how to put a previous comment in blue to respond to a certain part of a comment, I will cut a and paste.
mackelby,
Tater's method works if you want to quote the entire post. If you want to just quote part of it, I do it this way:
Highlight just the question or just the part you want to reply to, right-click and choose Paste. Then hit the Reply button and right-click in the text box. OK, I know you know how to cut and paste. You said as much so that was for anyone that might not know that part. Then I highlight the text that I pasted and then click on the little quote button (just above the ??? smiley). That puts that text in the blue box as a quote. Then I type my comment or answer.
Cheers,