I'm going to add the shoulder stock to my 2300KT and go ratting, but fortunately for me I have access to a target rich environment and want more than 30 shots per powerlet. Is there an easy way to add a small to medium bulk fill tank? If I do this, how many shots per tank can I expect? Right now I am getting about 30 per powerlet and interested in shooting more non-stop (and for plinking). Hopefully tanks are cheap so I can get more than 1 filled up when I go to a fill station.
I am amazed how quiet my 10" barrel is with CO2 and a 6.5" TKO. It shoots 450 - 500 fps but is much quieter than my HW30S springer shooting the same speed.
There are several way to bulk feed a Crosman pistol. One of the easiest ways is to install a Powerlet Eliminator (PE) available from GMAC in the UK. I recently completed my first bulk feed gun using the PE. Simply remove the CO2 cap and screw in the PE. Attach an apprpriate fitting to the PE and a hose to the tank and you are shooting. If you want to go back to using a cartridge, remove the PE in a few minutes.
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/kiteandcamera/GMACPE_zps98708a27.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/kiteandcamera/media/GMACPE_zps98708a27.jpg.html)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/kiteandcamera/GMACPEConnection_zpsfc952a30.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/kiteandcamera/media/GMACPEConnection_zpsfc952a30.jpg.html)
Tanks can be mounted in different ways. I chose to use a drop forward with an adapter for the paintball tank with an on/off knob.
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/kiteandcamera/GMACDrop_zps3763fadf.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/kiteandcamera/media/GMACDrop_zps3763fadf.jpg.html)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/kiteandcamera/Crosman2240CarbineRightObl_zpsdf73c392.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/kiteandcamera/media/Crosman2240CarbineRightObl_zpsdf73c392.jpg.html)
3.5-4 oz. CO2 tanks run around $40.
Other options include dummy CO2 cartridges (Bryan & Associates), BOSS valve with a bulk feed adapter up front (Bryan & Associates) or a drop block adapter to mount a tank under the barrel (Archer Airguns).
sweet. how many shots do you get?
Is there a website with different styles of tank mounts like you have?
Quote from: wahoowad on July 28, 2013, 04:59:14 AM
sweet. how many shots do you get?
Is there a website with different styles of tank mounts like you have?
I actually have not counted the shots because the build is so new, and I ran out of CO2. I figure if a 12g cartridge yields @30 shots, then a 3.5 oz. tank might produce 75+ shots depending on many factors. When using a 3.5 oz CO2 tank on my Mac1 LD, for example, I probably clear 100 shots.
The drop forward is a paintball item. I purchased mine on Ebay. Try a Google image search for something like Crosman bulk feed and you should see some possible options.
I chose the Powerlet Eliminator for two primary reasons: 1) you do not have to drill or cut the CO2 tube, and 2) the gun can be returned to stock configuration by removing the device.
Hmmm. Your 3.5 oz tank sounds small - at least judging by the shot count. I guess you have another larger CO2 tank that you fill up your smaller ones from?
where can I get a 90 degree nipple like you used? I like your whole setup!
Quote from: wahoowad on July 28, 2013, 05:27:29 AM
Hmmm. Your 3.5 oz tank sounds small - at least judging by the shot count. I guess you have another larger CO2 tank that you fill up your smaller ones from?
A 3.5 oz. tank is small and light. But consider that 3.5 oz = 99 grams, so a 3.5 oz tank is approximately equivalent to 8-9 cartridges. There are larger tanks available, though. The tank in the photo of the complete gun in the second post is a 13 c.i. HPA tank. It is about twice as long as the 3.5 oz. tank.
Do you have a larger tank that you get filled at a paintball shop, then bring home and fill your smaller tanks?
For the B&C option, do I need both the Bulk-Fill filling head and a BOSS Valve? I don't see just the fill head listed for sale and it isn't clear from their website which item(s) to purchase.
I get it that I need some type of new fill head with a nipple, just unclear about the valves. I plan to use an external tank.
Quote from: wahoowad on July 28, 2013, 04:40:40 PM
Do you have a larger tank that you get filled at a paintball shop, then bring home and fill your smaller tanks?
I have no reliable fill stations near me. I am identifying the parts needed to fill at home using a rented CO2 tank.
Quote from: wahoowad on July 28, 2013, 04:40:40 PMFor the B&C option, do I need both the Bulk-Fill filling head and a BOSS Valve? I don't see just the fill head listed for sale and it isn't clear from their website which item(s) to purchase.
A fill nipple/adapter is all that you would need to connect a tank by a coiled remote or a standard hose attached to a gun-mounted tank. I've not used the B&A parts, but offered them to you as other options.
The BOSS valve provides enhanced velocities, but will also chug down much more gas. Again, an option for you to explore.
Quote from: wahoowad on July 28, 2013, 04:40:40 PMI get it that I need some type of new fill head with a nipple, just unclear about the valves. I plan to use an external tank.
You use a standard 2240 valve with the Powerlet Eliminator. Going this route, you might want to consider cutting off the piercing pin on the valve stem to increase valve volume and remove unneeded obstacles (i.e. turbulence) in the CO2 pathway.
Point 2 is that you do not want to pressurize the 2240 tube with a standard valve using a simple fill adapter. The CO2 will flow right past the valve. In this case you might want to consider using the front half of a Disco valve. It uses o-rings to seal off the pressure chamber.
Thanks for all your help!
Which Powerlet Eliminator is needed for the 2300? They list them for the 2240, 2250, 2260 but not sure which the 2300 falls into?
The 2300 has the same tube length as the 2240. (edited to correct some numbers)
Cheers,
This is what I did ... worked much well but was heavy ....
Quote from: KevinP on July 29, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This is what I did ... worked much well but was heavy ....
Do you have a link to your post on this gun? I remember that you built this last year and, I believe, Crosshairs shortly after built a gun with a similar setup.
Here is mine, but if you want the easiest way, go with the eliminator.
1st pic; old gun
2nd pic; current gun
Quote from: wahoowad on July 28, 2013, 03:31:34 AM
I'm going to add the shoulder stock to my 2300KT and go ratting, but fortunately for me I have access to a target rich environment and want more than 30 shots per powerlet. Is there an easy way to add a small to medium bulk fill tank? If I do this, how many shots per tank can I expect? Right now I am getting about 30 per powerlet and interested in shooting more non-stop (and for plinking). Hopefully tanks are cheap so I can get more than 1 filled up when I go to a fill station.
I am amazed how quiet my 10" barrel is with CO2 and a 6.5" TKO. It shoots 450 - 500 fps but is much quieter than my HW30S springer shooting the same speed.
Remember, we advised a Second, and third, and fourth. ;)
On my set up, you can expect only about 120 shots per fill. She be a gas hog!!! But, can you say "MORE POWER"??
Quote from: breakfastchef on July 29, 2013, 01:17:07 AM
Do you have a link to your post on this gun? I remember that you built this last year and, I believe, Crosshairs shortly after built a gun with a similar setup.
:( can't find it but a few more pic ...
Ok, this is getting a little clearer. It reminds me of what I went through trying to understand HPA tanks for my PCPs.
- I will likely get the GMAC Powerlet Eliminator
- I found the drop forward device on eBay. I assume this one is suitable for my needs. http://www.ebay.com/itm/300932522866?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/300932522866?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)
- Is a 12" hose suitable? Longer? I'll see if I can get one from GMAC but if not, where is a good place to pickup a cheap but safe hose? Bling not important.
- If 3.5 oz = 99 grams, so a 3.5 oz tank is approximately equivalent to 8-9 cartridges...then I'm more than happy with that assuming I'll get 8 * 30 = 240 shots per tank (I get 30 per powerlet now). Any reccs for a tank?
- back to filling. Should I get an additional larger tank that I get refilled less often and us it to fill the 3.5 oz tank (vs. hauling the small tank to the sporting goods store for a fill). If so, what style tank do I look for and do I need special fittings? A pic of someone's setup would be great. I don't know anything about paintball...basically trying to understand by comparing it to my PCP tank knowledge.
Thanks guys ???
Quote from: wahoowad on July 29, 2013, 06:43:37 PM
[size=78%]- I found the drop forward device on eBay. I assume this one is suitable for my needs. [/size][/size][size=78%]http://www.ebay.com/itm/300932522866?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/300932522866?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)[/size]
Yes, that works nicely mounted under the grip.
Quote from: wahoowad on July 29, 2013, 06:43:37 PM- Is a 12" hose suitable? Longer? I'll see if I can get one from GMAC but if not, where is a good place to pickup a cheap but safe hose? Bling not important.
A 9" hose is adequate when paired with a 2240 CO2 tube and the drop forward you purchased. Longer tube? Use a longer hose.
Quote from: wahoowad on July 29, 2013, 06:43:37 PM- If 3.5 oz = 99 grams, so a 3.5 oz tank is approximately equivalent to 8-9 cartridges...then I'm more than happy with that assuming I'll get 8 * 30 = 240 shots per tank (I get 30 per powerlet now). Any reccs for a tank?
A 9 oz tank might just fit at 2 1/8" x 10 1/2". So that is an option. 3.5 oz. tanks are more expensive but lighter and less bulky. I look for the cheapest new tanks I can find. e-paintball.com is offering the 3.5 oz for $24; very good price on those.
Quote from: wahoowad on July 29, 2013, 06:43:37 PM- back to filling. Should I get an additional larger tank that I get refilled less often and us it to fill the 3.5 oz tank (vs. hauling the small tank to the sporting goods store for a fill). If so, what style tank do I look for and do I need special fittings? A pic of someone's setup would be great. I don't know anything about paintball...basically trying to understand by comparing it to my PCP tank knowledge.
I am going through this right now. Call Tim at Mac1. He has a transfer setup that seems fairly simple. You will also need a scale that can read tenths of ounces. I am considering the purchase of a new 10 lb. tank with siphon tube, simple fill station, and scale.
I use a 20lb. fire extinguisher to fill my 12 and 20 oz. tanks. Costs about $20.00 to fill once a year or so.
Jon