Being that I am aging, and maybe not too graceful, my eyes are just not what they used to be and using open sights gets more and more difficult because of the focusing problem. And even though I only need glasses to read, using my reading glasses or some prescription bi-focals with my open sights just does not help.
So for my pistols I'm looking for Red Dot sights and the best available. Money not being an issue. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Carl
ultra dot http://www.ultradotusa.com/ (http://www.ultradotusa.com/) maybe not the BEST but the pros like them
the best red dot is too expensive mostly used by military or swat
on airguns bsa red dot is on alot of them
on mine i use a hawke red dot good for the price less than $30usd
Since you said money isnt an issue....
http://www.opticsplanet.net/eotech-holographic-weapon-sights.html (http://www.opticsplanet.net/eotech-holographic-weapon-sights.html)
I'd like to have one...
Quote from: Ausher on May 25, 2010, 04:31:27 AM
Since you said money isnt an issue....
http://www.opticsplanet.net/eotech-holographic-weapon-sights.html (http://www.opticsplanet.net/eotech-holographic-weapon-sights.html)
I'd like to have one...
thats one of the reds im talking about
ya for an airgun i wouldnt recomend geting the "BEST" red dot because they are more expensive and can take more recoil than they need to be able to take, BSA, centerpoiunt, leapers all make great red dots, and even tasco makes a pretty good red dot
I like the red dots that offer a 3 MOA dot. I use and would recommend a Millett SP1. I also have a Bushnell Trophy red dot which is pretty good, it has a 6 MOA dot. The MOA begins to matter when shooting from greater distances. At 20+ meters, the size of the 6 MOA dot begins to cover or obscure more of the targets I shoot at, where the 3 MOA dot does not. At 10-15 meters, not that important, both dots appear small enough to shoot very accurately.
If your going to be shooting at small targets further than 20 meters the majority of the time, I suggest getting a regular scope instead of a red dot site.
When it comes to the RDS (Red Dot Sights), I'm not really one to speak to as I've not as much experience with them. True, I've got a BSA model, but it's been on and off guns so much I know I'm not qualified to speak.
Rodger (Packrat), I'm sure you're aware of, has a number of Hawke Red Dot ($30) he's spoken highly of. I believe a couple of others here are using them as well.
I agree that you could spend $$$ and get at top-dollar like the Ultra-Dot or such, but why, when that money can be spent on. . . pellets, useful mods or another Airgun. ;)
Thanks to everyone for all the good advice and suggestions.
I ended up ordering a couple of UltraDot Matchdot Red Dot Sights. And one of the main reasons is because they have an adjustable dot size of 2, 4, 6, and 8 MOA.
The Matchdot is not the most expensive but is does appear to be preferred by lots and lots of top pistol marksman.
They should be here this next week and once I get them installed I will share my personal opinion if any one is interested.
I also ordered some new mounts for them, low height 30mm rings with 3/8" dovetail grips. My two other Ultradots have the Weaver mounts and I had to use adapters and with the adapters it made the red dot sit too high on my pistols and thus introduced some parallax.
Carl
congrats
nice choice
please post pics when ready
Quote from: quickster47 on June 07, 2010, 05:13:33 AM
Thanks to everyone for all the good advice and suggestions.
I ended up ordering a couple of UltraDot Matchdot Red Dot Sights. And one of the main reasons is because they have an adjustable dot size of 2, 4, 6, and 8 MOA.
The Matchdot is not the most expensive but is does appear to be preferred by lots and lots of top pistol marksman.
They should be here this next week and once I get them installed I will share my personal opinion if any one is interested.
I also ordered some new mounts for them, low height 30mm rings with 3/8" dovetail grips. My two other Ultradots have the Weaver mounts and I had to use adapters and with the adapters it made the red dot sit too high on my pistols and thus introduced some parallax.
Carl
How much did the adjustable dot size sight cost? Just an approx. if you don't mind. :)
I'm a fan of red dots myself, but mine are all pretty low end ones <$40 and have a 4 or 5 MOA dot. I'd like to look into getting a couple of better ones myself and one that adjusts down to 2 MOA would be real nice for longer ranges I would think.
I paid $215 for each of them at Midway USA, http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=651463. (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=651463.) I did not do an extensive search for them so a better price might can be found.
Carl
Thanks for the info Carl. I knew they would be pretty pricey since they are high quality red dots. Let me know how you like them.
Quote from: quickster47 on June 07, 2010, 02:53:12 PM
I paid $215 for each of them at Midway USA, http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=651463. (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=651463.) I did not do an extensive search for them so a better price might can be found.
Carl
Carl,
Like you, I'm not a kid anymore either (wrong side of 60). I've also been shooting since I was a child (literally). I was even a member of my ROTC high school rifle team where we had a shooting range in the basement of the school. Try to find that situation nowadays. :(
Anyway, also like you, I've had to give up on open sights altogether. I wore an Expert medal in my Army days, and was deadly with an M-16 with open sights at 200 yards.
What a difference a few years makes.
Anyway, the reason I'm chiming in here is that I have several red dot sights myself. Included among them are the UltraDot Matchdot, a Millet Zoom Dot (and a couple more not really suitable for pistols), both of which I like really, REALLY, well. You'll love your Matchdots.
The thing is, I'd like not to spend $200 to $400 on a scope for a pistol that costs a fraction of that and doesn't require the durability that high caliber powder guns do.
So I went and sprang for the cheapo Daisy red dot scope for about $20.
Cheap? Yes
All plastic? Yuppers.
A piece of crap? Ditto.
BUT, for $20, I have to admit that it holds it's setting and lets me get some nickle sized groups at 20 feet that I could never get (anymore) with open sights, even with the less than perfect dot that looks a little fuzzy on one edge.
So for less than $20, it's worth playing with one just for the heck of it.
At the same time, I noticed the reference to the Hawke Red Dot, and for less than $40, I think I'll get one of those and see how well it works because $40 is also within a price bracket that would work for me if it it turns out to be a good red dot scope.
Mark,
Another red dot I use quite regularly, and it is not too expensive <$60, is the BSA 42mm Red Dot Sight, 5 MOA, 11-Position Rheostat, 3/8" & Weaver Mounts. What makes this nice is that big 42mm lens. And even though the dot is 5 MOA, it is not fuzzy and is nice and round with no floaters.
Carl
Hey guys, thought I'd bring this back up. I've been shooting my modded 2240 quite a bit the last few weeks with a $30 Leapers red dot. After seeing these two threads:
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=4203.msg41693#msg41693 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=4203.msg41693#msg41693)
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=3717.msg36362#msg36362 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=3717.msg36362#msg36362)
my interest in the Ultradot Matchdot is piqued again. Opinions, pics of Ultradots (Matchdot or any of the other Ultradots) on 13xx or 22xx guns would be appreciated. I'm especially interested to hear if these are parallax free.
Though I am pretty new to the air pistol thing, I have tried both red dot and scopes on my 1377 and 2300KT pistols. For accuracy, the scope wins; hands down. I paid less than $40 for an NCStar Pistolero Series scope and it works great. Alternately, I have an NCStar Red Dot that is also quite accurate. At this point of my air pistol experimentation, I have not found a reason to purchase any sighting device much above $40. These devides work very well and shots group nicely.
My 2300KT came with a Williams Notch sight. It is very accurate. That said, getting the front and rear sights to consistently align properly is not easy. While I blame it on failing eyesight, I think it also has to do with practice. Repeatability is necessary for accuracy. For those wishing to have instant accuracy gratification, red dots and pistol scopes are excellent.
Well I guess I have to throw my two cents in so....... Seems to be many schools of thought at play, but IMHO a lot of it boils down to what are you going to do most. First off, plinking and target shooting at air gun pistol ranges really doesn't require a wide field of view or huge (physical size) sights (in most cases). As you can see in my pics below, an EO Tech is huge on a 1377 even without the magnifier. EO Tech's and the like have large sizes to give wide fields of view and or quick acquisition on moving targets.... at any distance. They work best on CQB weapons. Trust me, being a SPECWAR team leader gives me access to damn near anything I want and I try them all 8) Then I find a quaility copy of the real thing for a reasonable price or a reasonable civillian version.
Second, and I'm sure most will agee, dropping big bucks for powder burner grade sights and scopes is not necessary unless you just have money to burn. Air gins don't get subjected to the recoil that burners do and shouldn't (stress shouldn't?) be subjected to the same rough treatment that combat weapons go through. In the pics below, the Aimpoint is a very very good e-bay knock off of the real thing. In fact I think they are actually made in the same plant but just dont have the night vision capibility of the real T1. I have 3 REAL T1's for my Op's weapons and 2 of these copies for my air guns. They are great little sights that don't cost $600 ea. More like $70 on the bay. Very Low profile, bright optics, very compact, 1X, 4 M.O.A. dot and 11 brightness settings. These are my favorite for hand guns!
My second choice is the Hammers 1X46T, $58 on E-bay (I have 3 of them). This is personally about as large as I would want to go on a hand gun with it's 46mm lens. Its very bright, has the T Dot retical I'm fond of, 8 brightness setting in red AND green, comes with the flip up lense caps. This is also a great sight for rifles due to the large optic / field of view and for moving target's.
These are my opinions only and just a couple of medium price options that I have in my inventory and have used / abused them a lot. They pass the test for not too much money :-*
Capt. Thomas
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7559/picture014tg.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/picture014tg.jpg/)
1377 w/ Aimpoint T1 mounted - Hammers 1x46T shown to compare
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5784/picture002ug.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/picture002ug.jpg/)
Aimpoint Micro T1 on #3 setting
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9272/picture019ad.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/picture019ad.jpg/)
Hammers 1x46T - Pic is a bit fuzzy but this thing is sharp in real life!
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/412/picture015oj.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/picture015oj.jpg/)
1377 shown w/ EO Tec and 3x magnifier for size - Too big IMHO!
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6896/picture020tq.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/picture020tq.jpg/)
EO Tec and one of my Daisy 2003's - The 2003 is a big funky gun size wise
with the eo tech you have more scope than gun ;D ;D ;D ;D
actualy that back part is just a magnifier that is optional. but if you like the look of the eotech there are lots of replicas that are great sights on ebay, maybe not combat worthy, but definatly more than adequate for airguns, remember most of these scope replicas like the aimpoint,eotech and acog replicas are designed to take some abuse, because they are designed for airsofters
I love this one.
(http://images.esellerpro.com/2269/I/176/2/tact_2.jpg)
Who makes this sight?
Quote from: hotshot on August 18, 2011, 10:39:43 PM
I love this one.
(http://images.esellerpro.com/2269/I/176/2/tact_2.jpg)
http://www.jsramsbottom.com/products/red-dot--laser-sights-red-dot-sights/jsrtech-jsr-techedge-commando-redgreen-dot-with-11mm-mounts.html (http://www.jsramsbottom.com/products/red-dot--laser-sights-red-dot-sights/jsrtech-jsr-techedge-commando-redgreen-dot-with-11mm-mounts.html)
Got a serious question. I just put a BSA RedDot 30 mm with the dovetail mount on my 1377 Crosman with the new breech. My problem is with sighting it in. At 8 yards, I'm right in the bull, But when I go to 30 yards, I'm hitting so low that the worms go deeper and the tree rats get out their lounge chairs, a few drinks and watch the comedy side show. Put 30 counter-clockwise clicks and still scaring the worms. Manual says it is factory sighted at 50 yards and clicks of 45-45 W/E with each click being 1/2 inch.
i dont know about the click and technicals
i sight in at 10 yards when i aim for the center of the bull i hit about a 1/2" low.have been right on at 25-30yds
Got the problem corrected. Seems that I forgot to install the set screw on top of the new breech, along with the roll pin on the pump coming out allowing the barrel to shift around. Re-sighted at 10 yards and hitting a business card tacked to a tree 62 foot away. Have to check for possible leakage as I can now pump it 12 times with no trouble.
good deal!
Quote from: Make MY day on August 20, 2011, 10:40:20 PM
Got the problem corrected. Seems that I forgot to install the set screw on top of the new breech, along with the roll pin on the pump coming out allowing the barrel to shift around. Re-sighted at 10 yards and hitting a business card tacked to a tree 62 foot away. Have to check for possible leakage as I can now pump it 12 times with no trouble.
Good job. :-*
Missing those little screws will get you every time.
Carl
We all either get screwed once in a while or we have a few loose screws. ;D
For Bullseye style shooting the Ultradot is the best. The Matchdot is good, but not necessary.
Try the Ultradot 1", with a lifetime warranty:
http://www.ultradotusa.com/ultradotdist2010_004.htm (http://www.ultradotusa.com/ultradotdist2010_004.htm)
(Note- This post was modified on 3-3-12. I changed my recommendation from the 30mm Ultradot to the 1" Ultradot. I find the 1" is well suited to Bullseye shooting and really like the hood.)
Noticed a little(?) problem with my BSA RedDot since I installed a new barrel and breech, checked and retightened all screws. Unable to get the sight zeroed in now while it was zeroed in before retightening everything. If I'm not mistaken, BSA's Red Dot owners manual says there are 45 clicks up and down or right to left from factory settings. I've already moved the elevation dial 40 clicks and I'm still hitting 3 inches low at 8 yards.
Any trash between the scope rails and rings?
Tried taking it off and putting it back on? I have had one go on crooked because I was not in good lighting when I put it on.
Anyone else think of something that might cause this?
Cheers,
Jerry
Quote from: eric on May 24, 2010, 10:52:05 AM
ultra dot http://www.ultradotusa.com/ (http://www.ultradotusa.com/) maybe not the BEST but the pros like them
Nice looking items, but couldn't find prices.... ???
No rings. Base is reversible for dovetail. Had it zeroed in where I could hit a business card tacked to a tree 62 foot away. Now??? I'm going to count clicks and take dial all the way in then count out 45 clicks and go from there.
Quote from: Noah on August 30, 2011, 08:05:06 AM
Nice looking items, but couldn't find prices.... ???
http://www.ultradotwest.com/ (http://www.ultradotwest.com/)
Found the bugger that allowed the breech and barrel to move. Damn rear sight screw had either loosened up or I did not tighten it enough. If it losens up again, I'll have to apply a little Locktite green on it.
Now to figure out the sights for re-zeroring in.
Quote from: Make MY day on August 30, 2011, 04:46:56 PM
Found the bugger that allowed the breech and barrel to move. Damn rear sight screw had either loosened up or I did not tighten it enough. If it losens up again, I'll have to apply a little Locktite green on it.
Now to figure out the sights for re-zeroring in.
Did you use the screw provided with the kit? I think it may be different than the stock screw, but not sure.
The new screw is a little longer than the original.
Quote from: Make MY day on August 30, 2011, 04:46:56 PM
Found the bugger that allowed the breech and barrel to move. Damn rear sight screw had either loosened up or I did not tighten it enough. If it losens up again, I'll have to apply a little Locktite green on it.
Now to figure out the sights for re-zeroring in.
thats probably why you cant get adjusted
i had the same problem with a red dot i just installed
had to remove the breech and barrel together with the red dot still attached
set the assembly on the table aimed the bore at the bullseye on a target looking down the breech and barrel
then adjusted the red dot until it was on the bullseye,too.now it was on paper took it outside for final zero
before i did this i couldnt get on paper to save my life!
Thinking of getting another scope, possibly a Leaper. Just not sure as I have trouble with the Tasco on my Taurus .454 Casual (.45 on heavy steroids) thanks to aging eyes (68). Any suggestions on scope? Mostly will be shooting targets and bluejays since the squirrels on the tree across from me know when to use the back side of the tree.
I've found that with aging eyes better optics make a huge difference. Not that all my scopes are expensive but the higher end ones with really good glass and a large objective lens really make a difference in viewing pleasure.
Carl