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Title: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Noah on January 21, 2014, 03:02:41 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-Deluxe-Two-Stage-Adjustable-Trigger-System-Kit-2240-2250-1377-1322-2289-/331109288102?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-Deluxe-Two-Stage-Adjustable-Trigger-System-Kit-2240-2250-1377-1322-2289-/331109288102?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276)

Have we talked about this particular item yet?  ???
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: breakfastchef on January 21, 2014, 03:05:43 AM
Quote from: Noah on January 21, 2014, 03:02:41 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-Deluxe-Two-Stage-Adjustable-Trigger-System-Kit-2240-2250-1377-1322-2289-/331109288102?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-Deluxe-Two-Stage-Adjustable-Trigger-System-Kit-2240-2250-1377-1322-2289-/331109288102?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276)

Have we talked about this particular item yet?  ???


Alliance Hobby strikes again! That is nothing more than the 1701P/P-Rod grip frame and trigger group. Buy it from Crosman for @$40.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: vertguy on January 21, 2014, 03:07:21 AM
And they fail to mention the need for a new hammer. Those little details for the uninformed :-*
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Fronzdan on January 21, 2014, 05:23:24 AM
That just seems wrong. Over double the price and an incomplete upgrade. Maybe they tell you in the shipment how to use JB Weld.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Davio on January 21, 2014, 09:23:53 AM
I came across this.  http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellet-Pistol-Modified-Breech/dp/B00BZ9KW7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390292985&sr=8-1&keywords=crosman+1740 (http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellet-Pistol-Modified-Breech/dp/B00BZ9KW7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390292985&sr=8-1&keywords=crosman+1740)

First thought: Has Crosman LOST THEIR MINDS?!? How many people will think that Crosman brought the 1740 back? Even though it says modified... it also says sold by Crosman... until you select the breech and then you know...  >:(
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: ped on January 21, 2014, 09:28:42 AM
if you read the add it doesn't inc the grip frame the pins or the over travel screw all for $89, you can now get a complete unit for less in the uk
ped
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 21, 2014, 10:35:25 AM
Quote from: Davio on January 21, 2014, 09:23:53 AM
I came across this.  http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellet-Pistol-Modified-Breech/dp/B00BZ9KW7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390292985&sr=8-1&keywords=crosman+1740 (http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellet-Pistol-Modified-Breech/dp/B00BZ9KW7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390292985&sr=8-1&keywords=crosman+1740)

First thought: Has Crosman LOST THEIR MINDS?!? How many people will think that Crosman brought the 1740 back? Even though it says modified... it also says sold by Crosman... until you select the breech and then you know...  >:(

That one is misleading David, I'm suprised they are allowed to do that.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: DBOdude on January 21, 2014, 04:50:50 PM

ebay is full of folks looking for suckers .....
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: farrlarr on January 21, 2014, 05:48:46 PM
Quote from: DBOdude on January 21, 2014, 04:50:50 PM
ebay is full of folks looking for suckers .....

That is just one of the many reasons I never look on Ebay for anything!!
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Davio on January 21, 2014, 07:40:55 PM
Quote from: DBOdude on January 21, 2014, 04:50:50 PM
ebay is full of folks looking for suckers .....
True.  And so do many others including car dealerships, furniture store, jewelry stores, bank cards, Amazon, and many/most other businesses.  I BUY on ebay all the time and have for years.  I have never been cheated or swindled over many hundred of purchases.  I have even bought and sold cars and trucks for some of the best purchases in my life.

The two things that overcome being cheated that works 100% of the time on ebay is...

#1: Do not BE a sucker. Know what the item should cost.  Buy from people with very high feedback ratings (and large numbers of sales, too).

#2: ALWAYS search for what you want and then ALWAYS change the sort criteria to "Price + shipping: lowest first". What always comes up to begin with is eBay's "Best Match" sort.  "Best Match" is never best.  It is something their mindless twits came up with to confuse the crap out of folks.

Lets use the venerable Crosman ball bearing as an example. Lets say you need one fast.  Search "Crosman ball bearing". Their "best match sort this time gives me the ball AND spring on top.  I change the sort to "Price + shipping: lowest first" and now the lowest price single ball bearing is on top.  After that (next cheapest) is two of them. Those happen to both be me.  Nobody else wants to package and label and ship one for my price, I suppose. The only other one is $9.99 from a pick your part drop down.  Now that is a sucker price.

Now, lets say you are into these guns and you like to have lots of these parts (or even share with forum brothers).  Cool!  You will buy 50 and guess what?  You will never search for one or two.  But if you are, lets see why the best price for one of $1.49 plus $1 shipping is all about.  Lets say you order one.  Here is what happens: I have to keep these and never run out.  I had to order them and make a place for them forever.  My daughter gets one, puts it and a card in a plastic ziplock, places that in an envelope, runs a self-adhesive label through the laser jet, applies it, tapes over your address and the tracking lines with two pieces of very clear tape, then places it in our shipping box.  Adn ultimately I pay her at the end of the week for the couple minutes she spent on your order.  The shipping label cost $1.69.  The packaging cost about 25 cents.  Two minutes of labor cost .20.  Profit: $.35  How many of you would do all that for .35 ?   

Damn!  Am I the sucker?  :o
No.  People need this and want it fast.  Many things fall into that category (not at all profitable but necessary for a well stocked / full service "store").  I actually knowingly lose money on Pellgunoil and a few other items.  That's okay.  It's not all about the money.

Carry on!  :) 
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: BDS on January 21, 2014, 08:16:11 PM
Yes... what Dave said and, I assume that those ball brg. type customer conveinece sales are really part of the "marketing cost" for the higher profit and more mainstay products that you can actually make a profit on?

Smart customers will recognize this and come back for the hi-$$ stuff because you helped them with the little stuff.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: quickster47 † on January 21, 2014, 08:43:52 PM
Good find Noah.  However, and don't you just hate that part, what you found is nothing more than a repackaging of parts from Crosman but missing the all important hammer.

Carl
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: vertguy on January 21, 2014, 11:22:30 PM
I decided to challenge Alliance via a message and asked specifically why they failed to mention the need for a new hammer... and here are both responses:

Me: Does your kit include a new hammer...

Alliance: It does not. At least not the prod hammer. I could include a 2240 hammer if you wanted one and you could work it down yourself. I have a buyer in Canada that's bought a half dozen of these and has worked the hammer so the assm works correctly

Me: I only ask as that should be stated in the ad as neither the 13xx or 22xx stock hammer will work without filling in the grove

Alliance: And I quote: "Please note the following: User adjustment and general "fiddling around" may be required. In product testing, I found
that that you may have to grind or file down the top of the sear for proper hammer engagement and release."

Also:

"This kit is NOT designed for the new user, but rather someone
with either a) time on their hands or b) novice gunsmith knowledge."


Note to sell... never buy from this seller :-*
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: DBOdude on January 21, 2014, 11:31:17 PM
my reply wasn't meant to disrespect anyone here that sells on ebay . AC Customs is my first and only ebay purchase/experience , and i plan to do business with him again . i would feel %100 safe also doing business with the regulars on this forum . 
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 22, 2014, 12:42:09 AM
Alliance are one of the few suppliers we have access to over here in the UK.

Granted that trigger is steep but things like barrels, 2300 tubes, 2289 tubes etc.. I found to be quite reasonable. Plus they are not available in the UK. We cannot buy barrels mail order over here.

All the dealings I have had with them have been positive.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Davio on January 22, 2014, 01:09:34 AM
Quote from: droid on January 22, 2014, 12:42:09 AM
Alliance are one of the few suppliers we have access to over here in the UK.


That's interesting.  :o

If that is true, then since every single one of my listings of the exact same thing is significantly less expensive, I just may change that very quickly.  Were your prior purchases through eBay or website (may I ask)?
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: redpcx on January 22, 2014, 02:20:54 AM
Quote from: Davio on January 21, 2014, 09:23:53 AM
I came across this.  http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellet-Pistol-Modified-Breech/dp/B00BZ9KW7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390292985&sr=8-1&keywords=crosman+1740 (http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellet-Pistol-Modified-Breech/dp/B00BZ9KW7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390292985&sr=8-1&keywords=crosman+1740)

First thought: Has Crosman LOST THEIR MINDS?!? How many people will think that Crosman brought the 1740 back? Even though it says modified... it also says sold by Crosman... until you select the breech and then you know...  >:(

I clicked on this link, and another similar offer popped up under it.  A 2300T for $132.43.  Not exactly a 1740, but possibly as close as you can get to the successor.
!0" Barrel, steel breech, and a LPA Mim rear sight.  I think a MUCH better deal than the modified gun.  Possibly free shipping. Sold by Amazon.
$132.43= 80.33GBP=97.62 Euros
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 22, 2014, 08:20:41 AM
Quote from: Davio on January 22, 2014, 01:09:34 AM
That's interesting.  :o

If that is true, then since every single one of my listings of the exact same thing is significantly less expensive, I just may change that very quickly.  Were your prior purchases through eBay or website (may I ask)?

Point I am making David is we in the UK welcome all sellers that make the parts available to us. We can then make an informed choice which one to buy from and whether is is cost effective or not.

I have dealt with yourself and have always made a point to recommend your services, as I have with Alliance and have never been anything other than impressed with both. As have all my fellow Crosman builders I have spoken to over here.

For screws, BBs, springs etc.. and other general UK specific and standard parts we have GMAC of course but other things like the 2300, 2400 and 2289 main tubes we can only get from the USA, same with the custom coated items.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 22, 2014, 08:43:02 AM
Point to look at David, maybe international settings maybe not but Alliance have 600+ items available to the UK, you currently have none visible to the UK  :o
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: ettolo on January 22, 2014, 09:02:15 AM
I can quote Droid words for Italian Crosman user, also if i know we are a minority.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Davio on January 22, 2014, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: droid on January 22, 2014, 08:43:02 AM
Point to look at David, maybe international settings maybe not but Alliance have 600+ items available to the UK, you currently have none visible to the UK  :o

TMI time to explain the state of things: eBay started an international program that I opted into.  All I had to do was ship to an eBay Int'l shipping center in Kentucky with my usual postage and they handled the rest (shipping out of the US, customs forms, seller protection, usual fees, etc.).  Sounds FANTASTIC, right??? Unknowingly (at first) it went well.  But then a few items hit customs snags... eBay took the hit, but then came back trying to de-list a bunch of my stuff.  Then I found out that they were putting crazy massive shipping on top of my price with shipping and it was making potential foreign friends puke. Some thought that I was gouging on shipping. Luckily, several contacted me and asked why so high.  I said WHAT?  NO WAY!  I could not believe.  I opted out completely and got my listings back in and had a spirited conversation with eBay that I am not proud of... but it sure was fun for a minute.  It was as close to tap dancing on somebody's head as you can manage on the telephone.   ;)

Since then I have been selling some to UK, Greece, France, Australia, Canada, etc. whenever anyone finds me and contacts me.  In every case I drop completely the domestic shipping charges and then charge only actual cost for international.  eBay / Paypal makes it hard to get the 1st class international postage without selling through them since they push Priority and Express.  But I got a handle on that now.  I just shipped a package to Australia for less than $20.

I have around 400 listings (mine are not sliced and diced and reconfigured and re-hashed). I have gone from 60 to 400 in 2013.  I could have 800 listings with the same stuff if I thought that served any purpose.  No, I add products as I see fit to add... and would rather have half the listings and twice the sales volume (exactly what is happening) of others and their tactics.  I also just started over at Amazon recently with just 20 items (all are the best price and even beat some Prime listings, too). 

I do not have time to play against anyone.   You do your best and don't ever pace yourself against anybody else. If you hear whining when you pass them, you just pull ahead and don't look back.  At the end of the day it is just me, daughter Ames, and the customer.  Nothing else matters, really.  Well... except for firing up the CNC router and the plating bench.   :) 

And this is not my day job... either one of them.  This is just something I enjoy... and gives my daughter a job.

Quick change of subject:  I notice that GMAC is heavy on brass and light on stainless.  Is that a UK buyer preference?   
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 22, 2014, 02:51:05 PM
Quote from: Davio on January 22, 2014, 02:02:49 PM
TMI time to explain the state of things: eBay started an international program that I opted into.  All I had to do was ship to an eBay Int'l shipping center in Kentucky with my usual postage and they handled the rest (shipping out of the US, customs forms, seller protection, usual fees, etc.).  Sounds FANTASTIC, right??? Unknowingly (at first) it went well.  But then a few items hit customs snags... eBay took the hit, but then came back trying to de-list a bunch of my stuff.  Then I found out that they were putting crazy massive shipping on top of my price with shipping and it was making potential foreign friends puke. Some thought that I was gouging on shipping. Luckily, several contacted me and asked why so high.  I said WHAT?  NO WAY!  I could not believe.  I opted out completely and got my listings back in and had a spirited conversation with eBay that I am not proud of... but it sure was fun for a minute.  It was as close to tap dancing on somebody's head as you can manage on the telephone.   ;)

Since then I have been selling some to UK, Greece, France, Australia, Canada, etc. whenever anyone finds me and contacts me.  In every case I drop completely the domestic shipping charges and then charge only actual cost for international.  eBay / Paypal makes it hard to get the 1st class international postage without selling through them since they push Priority and Express.  But I got a handle on that now.  I just shipped a package to Australia for less than $20.

I have around 400 listings (mine are not sliced and diced and reconfigured and re-hashed). I have gone from 60 to 400 in 2013.  I could have 800 listings with the same stuff if I thought that served any purpose.  No, I add products as I see fit to add... and would rather have half the listings and twice the sales volume (exactly what is happening) of others and their tactics.  I also just started over at Amazon recently with just 20 items (all are the best price and even beat some Prime listings, too). 

I do not have time to play against anyone.   You do your best and don't ever pace yourself against anybody else. If you hear whining when you pass them, you just pull ahead and don't look back.  At the end of the day it is just me, daughter Ames, and the customer.  Nothing else matters, really.  Well... except for firing up the CNC router and the plating bench.   :) 

And this is not my day job... either one of them.  This is just something I enjoy... and gives my daughter a job.

Quick change of subject:  I notice that GMAC is heavy on brass and light on stainless.  Is that a UK buyer preference?

I was just saying we can't see your listings David, unless we go to the .com site of course.

Re GMAC no brass is not a preference that is just the available items to us. We do get some SS items from SD Custom who resells some DC parts like Barrel bands, Bolts, CO2 and rear Caps and PAs.

The hardcore amongst us buy from overseas.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: BDS on January 22, 2014, 02:59:14 PM
Seems like simple risk management for the U.S. sellers. You advertise a reasonable price in $ U.S. for the product (only), and the offshore buyer can review the additional costs based on intl. freight and insurance and currency exchange etc? I realize that a $20 part that costs $20 to ship is not exactly cost effective for the buyer but... what's the alternative? Also, given the "left" leaning policies of the EU and UK towards anything gun related, what's the shippers risk in the transaction if the shipment is delayed or not forwarded at all?

Heck, even domestic shippers (PA and other sellers) can't or won't ship to our own NY, IL, MI, MN and a host of other states over here, and that even includes pellets in some places!

I did some quick math on the postings at American Airguns Classified site, and about 80% of the regular (informed) private sellers have a "no international sales, no NY, IL, MI... sales" type comment in their listings. I think to do otherwise is just too time consuming, cost prohibitive and fraught with legal land-mines for the average guy/seller.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Davio on January 22, 2014, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: BDS on January 22, 2014, 02:59:14 PM
Seems like simple risk management for the U.S. sellers. You advertise a reasonable price in $ U.S. for the product (only), and the offshore buyer can review the additional costs based on intl. freight and insurance and currency exchange etc? I realize that a $20 part that costs $20 to ship is not exactly cost effective for the buyer but... what's the alternative? Also, given the "left" leaning policies of the EU and UK towards anything gun related, what's the shippers risk in the transaction if the shipment is delayed or not forwarded at all?

Heck, even domestic shippers (PA and other sellers) can't or won't ship to our own NY, IL, MI, MN and a host of other states over here, and that even includes pellets in some places!

I did some quick math on the postings at American Airguns Classified site, and about 80% of the regular (informed) private sellers have a "no international sales, no NY, IL, MI... sales" type comment in their listings. I think to do otherwise is just too time consuming, cost prohibitive and fraught with legal land-mines for the average guy/seller.

Good points, but keep in mind that ALL of those sell air GUNS.  Parts is quite a different story.  I also steer clear of the NO NO stated for complete custom gun sales.  Not very many and not that bad to keep track of.

I would think that the wise int'l buyer would fill the box to dilute the postage costs.  The Aussie box I am filling today will contain a total of 17 items.  For less than $20 shipping!  Even a Crosman purchase can be ridiculous for a few small items at $4 flat shipping.

Everybody just needs to use the old noodle.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 22, 2014, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: BDS on January 22, 2014, 02:59:14 PM
Seems like simple risk management for the U.S. sellers. You advertise a reasonable price in $ U.S. for the product (only), and the offshore buyer can review the additional costs based on intl. freight and insurance and currency exchange etc? I realize that a $20 part that costs $20 to ship is not exactly cost effective for the buyer but... what's the alternative? Also, given the "left" leaning policies of the EU and UK towards anything gun related, what's the shippers risk in the transaction if the shipment is delayed or not forwarded at all?

Heck, even domestic shippers (PA and other sellers) can't or won't ship to our own NY, IL, MI, MN and a host of other states over here, and that even includes pellets in some places!

I did some quick math on the postings at American Airguns Classified site, and about 80% of the regular (informed) private sellers have a "no international sales, no NY, IL, MI... sales" type comment in their listings. I think to do otherwise is just too time consuming, cost prohibitive and fraught with legal land-mines for the average guy/seller.

Dead right Brian, still not a barrier though to persistant people like me  ;)
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: BDS on January 22, 2014, 03:18:44 PM
Gary..  :D ;D ;D

Spoken like a true Crosmaniac and man of determination :-*
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Bazmati2020 on January 22, 2014, 06:22:47 PM
Just to jump in I hope it's ok.
I've used alliance several times and been pleased, I guess fact is stuff is so expensive here that what you guys think expensive to you is still cheap to us. 

I quite like brass on on some, but would like some items such as pump arms with doofer thread or sights etc in steel and not available here so if you can supply I'd be interested.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 23, 2014, 08:59:48 AM
Just to highlight the price differences, currently on eBay UK we have a UK seller selling Boss valves for £70 or $115, they are selling too !
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: ped on January 23, 2014, 09:06:50 AM
seen them gary isn't it the same guy doing 24" barrels for £60 which are a bit dear imho but if people are daft enough ,nobody's forcing them to buy
ped
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 23, 2014, 09:11:12 AM
Quote from: ped on January 23, 2014, 09:06:50 AM
seen them gary isn't it the same guy doing 24" barrels for £60 which are a bit dear imho but if people are daft enough ,nobody's forcing them to buy
ped

Yes mate, I know the guy and he buys the valves in job lot from Jim at CB. Like you say we all have the choice whether to buy or not to buy.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: ped on January 23, 2014, 09:26:12 AM
the vcr act is responsible for the inflated prices as you can't just get them sent from gmac without involving an rfd alot of people read about items that will boost the power of there gun ie boss valve or longer barrel find they can't easily get them and then see them on the bay at a high price and just have to have them
ped
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 23, 2014, 09:32:44 AM
Also scary how many people put them in 2240s too, if only they understood the consequences  :o

Strange thing on the VCR though is you can buy the complete valve as parts but not assembled ! What a crock !
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: ped on January 23, 2014, 09:39:40 AM
just tried to buy a disco tube of asi along with the gauge block filler and some valve stems only to be told that as they were pressure bearing they couldn't sell direct to me even though they aren't covered by the vcr act
they're enroute now but had to get a local gunshop to place the order
does make me wonder how much involvment the airgun industry in the uk had with the vcr act and our power limits
ped
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Davio on January 24, 2014, 12:49:13 AM
That is crazy.  There are folks in UK prison for getting caught (for example) with a US regular transfer port and a BOSS valve?  Wow.  :(

I suppose that is like folks in US prison for making a powder burner shusher. 

Yet you guys get all the quiet you want without any hassle (albeit on legal under-powered air guns, I suppose). 
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: BDS on January 24, 2014, 01:29:05 AM
Gary may know better than I but, even with the FAC license, an FEO (cop) has to survey your shooting venue and pass it as "safe" to shoot , it's called a permission :D

Later on, if you have been a good boy and have several permissions granted to you, they may let you pass the venue as safe. Prob is, if it tuns out to be unsafe you are on the hook with the law for passing it as such. What! ??? >:(
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Gippeto on January 24, 2014, 03:00:26 AM
Not really 100% related, but something I'm curious about and some (Davio) may be in a position to answer...

I've shipped numerous packages internationally from Canada and have no issues with doing so.

The customs declaration I have to fill out takes a minute or less...and yet is often posted as being the reason some folks won't ship outside the US.

Just "what" is involved with the US customs declaration that makes it not worthwhile to pursue a sale when someone approaches cash in hand?? ???

TIA

Al
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: donn on January 24, 2014, 03:22:11 AM
Shipping overseas is easy as pie with USPS.  I ship flashlights all over the world, and seldom go to the Post Office to do it.  The only time I can't do it on my PC, from home, is when the insurance is extremely high (thousands).

I expect gun-type stuff is a bit different, but probably completely doable.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 24, 2014, 09:38:52 AM
Quote from: Gippeto on January 24, 2014, 03:00:26 AM
Not really 100% related, but something I'm curious about and some (Davio) may be in a position to answer...

I've shipped numerous packages internationally from Canada and have no issues with doing so.

The customs declaration I have to fill out takes a minute or less...and yet is often posted as being the reason some folks won't ship outside the US.

Just "what" is involved with the US customs declaration that makes it not worthwhile to pursue a sale when someone approaches cash in hand?? ???

TIA

Al

Al, there are a lot of scare scories about and some people are just unsure, uncomfortable or have had a bad experience posting abroad, we get a lot of the same in the UK.  Generally there is a workaround somewhere with the correct communication.

I get quoted as customs or lost parcels as one reason for not shipping. For me I have lost count of the overseas transactions I have made and to date I have had just one lost item.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 24, 2014, 09:39:49 AM
Quote from: BDS on January 24, 2014, 01:29:05 AM
Gary may know better than I but, even with the FAC license, an FEO (cop) has to survey your shooting venue and pass it as "safe" to shoot , it's called a permission :D

Later on, if you have been a good boy and have several permissions granted to you, they may let you pass the venue as safe. Prob is, if it tuns out to be unsafe you are on the hook with the law for passing it as such. What! ??? >:(

Thats how I understand it Brian, also the annual checks on your equipment and storage facilities.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Davio on January 24, 2014, 10:27:29 AM
So what are the no-no items for UK?  Somewhat inversely... what are the high demand items that it is okay for UK to purchase from US?

I get that the nuts and bolts are not hard to come by. Right?

What's this I hear about the Backpacker tube "turns" a UK 13xx into a carbine/rifle and that is allowed more fpe/fps ?  Also the 2250B, 2250XE or 2400 tube doing the same thing for the 22xx guns?  Any truth there?

I gotta wrap my head around this, you know?

All the problematic stuff about int'l shipping is using eBay to do it.  I know full well how to print postage and make listings eligible for anywhere.  And the customs forms are 30 seconds on a 2nd screen.  No biggie there, either.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 24, 2014, 10:41:39 AM
David,

Complete pistols are the risky ship items really as your spec 2240 / 2300 are normally close to or over our UK limits. If they are tested under power then there will not be an issue as the worst Customs can do is send them off for testing. If the guns are disabled though then they can be siezed by Customs as Realistic Immitation Firearms so guns are best shipped to UK spec.

We can't get 2300 tubes at the moment for us guys who like no stamping on the tubes.

Also as you say the 2289 tube allows us to legally make the 13xx series into carbines. Again not available over here.

Mainstream spares we can get easily, even the P-Rod trigger group. So BBs, Springs, Grip Screws, Rebolt kits you would struggle to compete.

Boss valves we can get shipped direct from Crooked Barn but I think people would like UK supplied ones.

Barrels are the wierd ones, these are ok to buy from abroad but not in the UK diue to the VCR !! So that is another item not easily / readily available to the masses.

Breeches are quite expensive over here too, typical steel breech with probe costs around £50 shipped so $85.00, perhaps a margin there ?
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 24, 2014, 10:50:43 AM
Another area David is the Custom Shop guns, we can't get them easily over here without help. Would be easy to make UK spec too. A regular middleman would be good at a fixed rate. Yes I know we have Airgunexporter but another option would be nice.

In fact a general reshipper / middleman for a lot of parts in the States would perhaps be an earner. Especially when the original seller will not ship overseas.

For instance I just bought two sets of grips from Archers. Shipping cost me $45.60, it was the same for 1 pair so that's why I bought 2. (I am not knocking Archers as the service was excellent, just using them as an example) so all in it cost me $145.48 for the two sets.

Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Davio on January 24, 2014, 11:06:32 AM
From a UK import standpoint, at what point does a gun become not a gun (parts/spares)? Top half / lower half make the cut?
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 24, 2014, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: Davio on January 24, 2014, 11:06:32 AM
From a UK import standpoint, at what point does a gun become not a gun (parts/spares)? Top half / lower half make the cut?

If the grip assembly is shipped separate to the top half it will be classed as spares, though I would still split the breech from the tube. I normally get them shipped as "crosman spares"

BNM ship split down like this in one box but if they are pulled they will reassemble them so that's a bit risky.

You will still be safe on the 2240/2300 if using a UK spec TP (2.8mm)

The 2250s and 2400s are under spec anyway.

Saying that I have had loads of complete guns shipped over including Mac1 LDs which were initially seized but then released, DAQ 2560, BNM 2240 and many more. I have only ever had one issue that was with a DAQ 2540 that should have been split down but wasn't, that one got seized and destroyed ($600 sob!)

I even got an M-Rod .25 top end delivered albeit I did that by accident  ;) (I though it was a .22)

So bearing in mind that the cheapest standard 2240 in the UK is $133 and you can't have them delivered within the UK due to the VCR you would think there would be a margin with the CS ones.

Strangely though we can't get the barrels, valves, doofers and guns delivered from a dealer but we can ship them ok on a private sale. We can also send an old barrel etc.. to the UK dealer and have a new exchange shipped within the UK because this is classed as a repair.

Can you see why I am so fascinated with the scene  :)

Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: redpcx on January 24, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
Does anybody know the Crosman part number for a  EuroSpec transfer port?
I am fairly sure I could make a transfer port with my Unimat, but a manufacturer supplied  part to make an item LEGAL might be more comforting to a potential purchaser.
Oops , Walmart prices have been going up.  2240 is now $60.  (36GBP)
Replace transfer port, Disassemble and mail?   Postage might be costly.
Might be more cost effective to handle Custom Shop.
A 2400 KT PLAIN, no trigger shoe, plastic front sight, NO rear sight is only $86-$88, (52-53 GBP)
For the small extra amount, someone could provide a good value to UK shooters.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Bazmati2020 on January 24, 2014, 12:20:20 PM
It is strange but as Gary says lots of the rules only apply to new and if from a registered dealer.  Second hand we can post ok.

Just to add to things we don't see much of, it is those custom items like steel pump arms, choice of stocks and grips, barrels (you may have seen my post, I bought a new lothar walther which was taken from a new split pistol for less than half of the price of the barrel here and that included shipping from USA).

I'm also guessing things like sights (Williams, MiM's etc cheaper with you guys) but I really think where Gary's hit it on the head is a general middle man type arrangement.  So many things that catch the eye or we would like and they just aren't available or very expensive here, but not what you would perhaps stock.

I have feeling there could be hanging margin and shipping margin and it would still be cheaper/easier than trying to get here  :-*
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: droid on January 24, 2014, 12:20:49 PM
They don't actually sell these UK spec TPs in the UK, I had to get mine made up by GMAC.

There may be a Canadian part number as we tend to use their specs.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Davio on January 26, 2014, 08:07:14 AM
Alchemy Airwerks is now showing up on the UK sight... with one item (a request today): Backpacker tubes.  It is to help a brother over the pond magically transform his 13xx from a pistol category to a rifle category (and higher allowable fpe) since the Backpacker got classed as such.  It was a smooth transaction. I kept my same price and only charged the exact actual shipping cost. Win : win!
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: ped on January 26, 2014, 10:57:32 AM
looks like a few people are intrested in them david just put one in my watch list as i pm'd you before christmas about one but still not sure what other parts i need (should know in the next couple of weeks)
ped
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Davio on January 26, 2014, 11:09:57 AM
Quote from: ped on January 26, 2014, 10:57:32 AM
looks like a few people are intrested in them david just put one in my watch list as i pm'd you before christmas about one but still not sure what other parts i need (should know in the next couple of weeks)
ped
I remember and there will be one for you whenever.
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Paul55 on January 26, 2014, 12:14:30 PM
Quote from: droid on January 24, 2014, 10:50:43 AMFor instance I just bought two sets of grips from Archers. Shipping cost me $45.60, it was the same for 1 pair so that's why I bought 2. (I am not knocking Archers as the service was excellent, just using them as an example) so all in it cost me $145.48 for the two sets.

I've only just picked up on this thread, but I only paid $18.55 shipping on both my grip orders from Archer's.  I don't understand how your shipping costs were so high  ???
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: Paul55 on January 26, 2014, 12:19:07 PM
Quote from: Davio on January 26, 2014, 08:07:14 AM
Alchemy Airwerks is now showing up on the UK sight... with one item (a request today): Backpacker tubes.  It is to help a brother over the pond magically transform his 13xx from a pistol category to a rifle category (and higher allowable fpe) since the Backpacker got classed as such.  It was a smooth transaction. I kept my same price and only charged the exact actual shipping cost. Win : win!

That's great news  :-\
Title: Re: Crosman Deluxe Two Stage Adjustable Trigger System Kit
Post by: ped on January 26, 2014, 01:10:44 PM
thats very much apreciated david the lad in the uk who got the backpacker off you seems very happy(has posted on one of the uk forums)
from what i have read most people who get parts shipped to the uk from archer airguns seem very happy with the product but most say the postage was high so maybe you dropped lucky paul
ped