I've got a hunch my groups would tighten right up if I didn't spend half my time pumping my 1377. Since I shoot 10m on my patio here in Florida, it's pretty much over 75 degrees all year. Perfect for CO2. Pardon my n00b, but am I correct in what I've read that if I bought a 2240, I would have everything I need to convert my 1377 to CO2? Or rather convert the 2240 to .177?
Sounds like this boy needs a 2260.
http://www.crosman.com/airguns/air-rifles/heritage-2260 (http://www.crosman.com/airguns/air-rifles/heritage-2260)
And if you want one with all the mods, Davio sells them.
http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/store/p138/Custom_2260_All_The_Right_Stuff_.html (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/store/p138/Custom_2260_All_The_Right_Stuff_.html)
You can give yourself time to rest your arms after pumping. Thatll give you time to rest.
Quote from: mudduck48 on January 02, 2016, 05:10:20 AM
Sounds like this boy needs a 2260.
http://www.crosman.com/airguns/air-rifles/heritage-2260 (http://www.crosman.com/airguns/air-rifles/heritage-2260)
And if you want one with all the mods, Davio sells them.
http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/store/p138/Custom_2260_All_The_Right_Stuff_.html (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/store/p138/Custom_2260_All_The_Right_Stuff_.html)
No rifle on the patio. Pistol only. So would buying a 2240 and already owning a 1377 give me all the parts I need for .177 CO2?
My range
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Whoops, not sure why it's sideways ???
I'm no pro, but I believe you should be good to go for the conversion. I think all you need is the barrel and bolt. Do you have a steel breech on it.
Quote from: Tater on January 02, 2016, 07:34:24 AM
I'm no pro, but I believe you should be good to go for the conversion. I think all you need is the barrel and bolt. Do you have a steel breech on it.
No steel breech, I've only owned the 1377 for a week!
Short answer is: Yes you will.
I assume you will get the barrel & bolt from your pumper.
After shooting the now 1740 for awhile you can decide what changes, if any, you would like to make. And there are a lot of accessories available ranging from accuracy to power to bling. Just about the only limit to modifications available is your budget.
Have fun!
Just a thought about pumping for a 10M range. You only need 4 or 5 pumps to get an accurate shot.
JUst a suggestion,why not get a 2300(177) from Crosman Custom Shop, a custom gun is one of the best deals going....by the way I love my pumpers,but equally love my c02...good luck
Quote from: BillK on January 02, 2016, 02:15:14 PM
Short answer is: Yes you will.
I assume you will get the barrel & bolt from your pumper.
After shooting the now 1740 for awhile you can decide what changes, if any, you would like to make. And there are a lot of accessories available ranging from accuracy to power to bling. Just about the only limit to modifications available is your budget.
Have fun!
Just a thought about pumping for a 10M range. You only need 4 or 5 pumps to get an accurate shot.
On my steel breeched 13xx(I have 4) 4 pumps work well at 10....good luck
No point in converting the gun over imo. Just buy a new one in the make and model that you desire. Like someone said, Custom Shop sells whatever caliber you want in CO2 and it's like $120 shipped.
You're gonna have pay for a new gun and take time to do the mods anyway. So why be left with a non working Frankenstein parts gun, when you can pay a tad more and have both guns that you can be proud of? Unless the money is THAT much of an issue, I'd say just start from scratch on a new build.
..or you can by a 2240 main tube and valve kit. Davio has one on eBay for $44.88 and have at it...
Quote from: oldgearhead on January 03, 2016, 02:06:32 AM
..or you can by a 2240 main tube and valve kit. Davio has one on eBay for $44.88 and have at it...
I like the cut of your jib :-*
The reason I asked if a 2240 would give me all the parts is because I love to tinker. I am fully aware it is easier to just purchase a 2300 and call it, but what is the fun in that? Having a full extra set of compatible parts will allow me to experiment. Also, upgrading is a ton of fun. It's a sickness, I also own Glocks and 10/22. I live by the B.O.M.B. theory.
Better Off Modified Baby!
And then you woke up. :P :P
contacted Davio and ordered all the parts I needed for the conversion as well as a sweet fiberoptic front sight. Now the wait...
Now the wait. 6mo from now you will be ordering more parts! It don't end, but it is fun. :-*
Quote from: mudduck48 on January 09, 2016, 03:35:39 AM
Now the wait. 6mo from now you will be ordering more parts! It don't end, but it is fun. :-*
6mo!!! God, I hope it won't be that long!!
On a side note, not a very active board since I signed up. Was hoping there would be more discussion.
Relax, it's winter time. Most people are trying to stay warm. It picks up more as the weather warm up. :-*
Quote from: Hinecken on January 09, 2016, 03:37:14 AM
On a side note, not a very active board since I signed up. Was hoping there would be more discussion.
I agree. On the other hand there are not a bunch of BS posts about nothing. When a question is asked, it is answered promptly & knowledgeably. Unlike other boards where 10 peps tell you what they have done and have no clue about your problem/question. Also most folks who join understand how to use the "search" feature. This feature isn't great so you don't get "bonked" by asking a question and getting a reply to "search".
I have found this to be a very good board with knowledgeable people who want everyone to enjoy shooting their Crosmans.
Quote from: BillK on January 09, 2016, 04:13:52 AM
I agree. On the other hand there are not a bunch of BS posts about nothing. When a question is asked, it is answered promptly & knowledgeably. Unlike other boards where 10 peps tell you what they have done and have no clue about your problem/question. Also most folks who join understand how to use the "search" feature. This feature isn't great so you don't get "bonked" by asking a question and getting a reply to "search".
I have found this to be a very good board with knowledgeable people who want everyone to enjoy shooting their Crosmans.
Oh I absolutely don't disagree with any of that. So far I've gotten a ton of good information from here. It's just nice to read new stuff from people that share a similar interest.
Quote from: mudduck48 on January 09, 2016, 04:12:42 AM
Relax, it's winter time. Most people are trying to stay warm. It picks up more as the weather warm up. :-*
I vaguely remember this "winter" you speak of growing up in Jersey. It was miserable. I wish them luck. Thankfully winter in Palm Beach consists of the possibility of socks.
Yeah, hopefully in a few months my other projects will start dwindling and I can start doing some airgun stuff again, my garage is a disaster and need to rebuild an engine then the back wall of the garage, at that point I can move in the garage and start some builds and indoor shooting... and when its warm outdoor shooting :)
All internet forums seem to be dead lately, not don't know what's going on, probably facebook or something... I don't know how to use that thing so I stay away, I don't have the time for what I do anyway :)
even the facetube groups are kind of slow. You would think during the winter people would have nothing better to do other than post on message boards.
Another thing about the winter time is people are getting sick. I just talked to my friend in Wy. tonight and he and his wife are sicker than dogs. Plus he has 4ft of snow in his drive way. Here on the left cost it is 42degres in the morning, about 60 during the day. It's just that time of the year. Hang, it will get better. :P :P
back to my original hatred of pumping, has anyone tried out the mellon air power adjuster? Since I'm converting to CO2 and will only use it for patio pistol, My next task will be upping the shot count. From my reading, the 2300 valve spacer and the power adjuster are my next two mods. Unfortunately I'll have to wait until Monday to call Crosman for the spacer.
If you are getting the spacer from Crosman, you can get a power adjuster from them too, I think it's from the challenger or something similar, with those and maybe a smaller transfer port you should be able to stretch the shot count out quite a bit.
Yeah duck, I've been sick for the last couple weeks, I think I'm on the 3rd different cold... I actually took a day off work for the first time in 9 years... I wasn't posting because I parked myself in bed and on the couch, my phone doesn't post well :)
The Mellon power adjuster will give you much more adjustment than the Crosman. You can turn it out so far for lower power that the spring can be removed. IMO the Mellon is one of the best around. And it's priced right.
http://mellonair.myfreesites.net/power-adjusters (http://mellonair.myfreesites.net/power-adjusters)
The price is what attracted me to it! All the other ones I've seen are 2-5x more expensive than the Mellon one. True, I could just order it from Crosman along with the spacer, but then I would have any shiny bling! I'm actually annoyed I have to call Crosman to order the spacer. Was hoping to find that it's sold elsewhere, but unfortunately all the internet searching I've done keeps leading me back to calling Crosman...
Ya know, I am not sure you would need a spacer with the Mellon RPA. I'm not a CO2 expert although it seems that as low & slow that you can tune the Mellon adjuster the spacer would not save you any gas. IMO Crosman uses the spacer and the low tension blue colored hammer spring with their RPA, which has very limited adjustment, to make the adjusting foolproof.
As we all know, there are many people out there who can F up a free lunch.
I think the Mellon RPA will do the job and the spacer will not be needed.
Anyone....please correct me if I am wrong.
I agree with Bill, you may not need the spacer as the adjuster will basically do the same thing, limit how much gas gets out per trigger pull. A good hardware should have some springs that are the same diameter as the stock hammer spring that you can try.
You'll need one of these square drives for the trigger frame screws. They look like phillips at first glance but there not. I buggered up a couple before someone pointed this out to me. You might also want to order a few spare parts from Crosman, the shipping is the same for 1 part or many. Transfer port seal, cartridge to valve seal, safety spring and ball (many of these have been lost while working on these pistols).
http://www.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-662-Square-Recess-Round-Shank/dp/B000936R1E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1452380548&sr=8-3&keywords=%232+square+drive+screwdriver (http://www.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-662-Square-Recess-Round-Shank/dp/B000936R1E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1452380548&sr=8-3&keywords=%232+square+drive+screwdriver)
At the distance your shooting you should only need 3-4 pumps on your 1377, same as adding a power adjuster on the 2240. That's what makes them neat, the farther you shoot the more you pump.
Quote from: Hinecken on January 09, 2016, 07:22:11 AM
back to my original hatred of pumping, has anyone tried out the mellon air power adjuster? Since I'm converting to CO2 and will only use it for patio pistol, My next task will be upping the shot count. From my reading, the 2300 valve spacer and the power adjuster are my next two mods. Unfortunately I'll have to wait until Monday to call Crosman for the spacer.
Yes, have both. The Mellon Ajuster is better overall, with that "bling" factor you look for. Just follow his instructions for ordering on his webpage.
It's been a while since I last checked velocity, but you can see some of the chrono results -
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,2865.msg37308.html#msg37308 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,2865.msg37308.html#msg37308)
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,3842.msg37688.html#msg37688 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,3842.msg37688.html#msg37688)
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,3844.msg37690.html#msg37690 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,3844.msg37690.html#msg37690)
Edit to Add :
A Close Up of My Mellon Ajuster -
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z157/T191032/Airguns/Mellon%20Ajuster%20Close%20Up_zpsoijoalqv.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/T191032/media/Airguns/Mellon%20Ajuster%20Close%20Up_zpsoijoalqv.jpg.html)
Here you go Hinecken by our very own arkmaker http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,16075.0.html (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,16075.0.html)
Wow, you guys are great. I appreciate all the info! The Mellon adjuster comes out to $13 shipped, you really can't go wrong at that price.
I realize I only need 4 pumps to get the job done at 5m, but I'd rather do less pumping and more shooting. That's why I got into this, to shoot. Not pump. Question about CO2, once you put in a powerlet, do you have to use the whole thing in 1 sitting?
edit: PM'd arkmaker about that power adjuster. How can you beat that price!
If you read the manual yes, but that's to keep their lawyers happy to keep them out of liability, if everything works like it should, it should stay usable for weeks to months...
That's what I wanted to hear! It's nice to sneak out during the 2 minute warning for a quick 12 shots on target. Was afraid I'd have to plan out my shooting time better.
So I'll have the spring from a 1377 and 2240 on hand, I assume they're the same. Hopefully I'm able to purchase that adjuster and it hasn't already been sold. With those items and some mods like cutting a spring, I should be looking at 60 or so usable shots from what I'm reading?
That sounds about right, however I would get a couple of the smaller transfer ports from Crosman like the Challenger, and the target model pistol, (I'm brain dead and can't remember the model). I may have a post here, if not Bob (fsterne (spelling)) from Air Gun Home wrote up a concise, detailed post on building a self regulating 22xx pistol on CO2 at target speeds.
Casey
The transfer port is the one piece I didn't order yet as Id like to research it more. I'd love to find that article.
As of today, I have on the way:
Complete 2240 CO2 assembly
Improved Fiber Optic front sight
Mellon Air PA
2300s Valve Spacer
2240 Barrel Band
Should be well on my way to a better target gun.
And some RWS R10 7gr
Got my stuff from Davio today!! Came completely assembled, and took me 10 minutes to put everything together. Getting quite a bit of flyers so far, but I can tell you it's 1000 times better than pumping! Hoping the flyers are due to me cleaning the barrel when I had it apart as well as not detuning the setup yet. So far I'm liking the improved fiber optic front sight. Helps protect my new crown too. Hopefully the Mellon adjuster will be in the mail tomorrow. For now I think I'll clip a spring coil.