Crosman Bolt side question.
The bolt, on a stock production breech, is on the right side.
Iââ,¬â,,¢m left handed and for me it feels perfectly natural. After I shoot, I continue to hold the pistol in my left hand, open the breech (with right hand) and insert a new pellet with my right hand.
I can see where a right handed person would get used to it with NO scope, but if you have a scope mounted ââ,¬Â¦ donââ,¬â,,¢t you have to reach around/over it ??
Iââ,¬â,,¢ve seen breeches with the bolt on the other side, Is this why ?
Darth
it is, i carnt see how it can be done naturaly if not, imho of course
I might be considered quite weird by some, and my wife definitely knows I'm weird, but I cock the gun with my right hand but have always used my left hand to insert pellets. And that does present problems with some scopes, especially those with the large sidewheels used to adjust parallax. I have tried and tried to use my right hand to insert pellets but just can't get the hang of it.
Carl
I use my right hand to write, but i use both LH and RH style breech's. ??? i wouldn't think it's a big deal.
(http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4210329/You-are-holding-it-Wrong-sent-from-iApprove.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Steve-Jobs-Says) ;D
I'm right handed and on pistols I like the bolt on the left side so I can maintain my grip with right hand and cock and load with the left. On rifles I like it on the right side.
I was just wondering because I started to fiddle around with holding it "right handed". Didn't seem correct for a right hander.
I know why they are made that way ... rifles.
ChokingVictim : Perhaps YOU are holding it wrong ?? ;)
Quote from: quickster47 on March 11, 2011, 06:39:15 PM
I cock the gun with my right hand but have always used my left hand to insert pellets.
Carl
So Carl, you are switching hands back and forth ??
Quote from: zoned on March 11, 2011, 09:17:41 PM
I'm right handed and on pistols I like the bolt on the left side so I can maintain my grip with right hand and cock and load with the left. On rifles I like it on the right side.
Zoned ... I can understand that :-*
I think you find your own technique naturally in time. I load/cock a 2240 differently to a 2250b (partly due to some changes on my 2250!) but I guess I'm saying I adapt to whats most effective/comfortable/simple.
I'd like to try a left side breech cause I'm fairly ambidextrous. I load with my right shooting right handed on the 2250 and with either on the 2240 randomly. I think it also depends if I have a pellet pouch or a tin on the table. The (crosman ;) ) pouch being on a belt to my right.
I suppose with a scope its just easier to see whats going on using my right shooting right handed. More stable.
Darth and Zoned mirror each others technique on pistols. Being right and left handed shooters. :-*
Quote from: Darth on March 11, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
ChokingVictim : Perhaps YOU are holding it wrong ?? ;)
I had to throw the iphone thing in there. :)
Quote from: zoned on March 11, 2011, 09:17:41 PM
I'm right handed and on pistols I like the bolt on the left side so I can maintain my grip with right hand and cock and load with the left. On rifles I like it on the right side.
exactly .if you shoot competitively you don't want to change your grip to load a pellet .consider it like a constant cheek weld for your shooting hand ;)
OK, lets just say ââ,¬Â¦ hypothetically ââ,¬Â¦ Iââ,¬â,,¢ve developed a self-loading 6 shot breech adapter that automatically inserts the pellet just by cocking the gun. No rotating or anything.
And ââ,¬Â¦ hypothetically, lets say ââ,¬Â¦ it works on any stock Crosman steel breech for 22 caliber only (at this point).
And ââ,¬Â¦ hypothetically ââ,¬Â¦ it fits under a scope with standard height rings.
And perhaps can even be used with open sights ââ,¬Â¦
My REAL question is ââ,¬Â¦ how many of you right handers put the gun in your left hand to cock and load a pellet?
Darth
Quote from: Darth on March 21, 2011, 04:04:05 AM
OK, lets just say ââ,¬Â¦ hypothetically ââ,¬Â¦ Iââ,¬â,,¢ve developed a self-loading 6 shot breech adapter that automatically inserts the pellet just by cocking the gun. No rotating or anything.
Expand? 8)
You mean like this?
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=3111.0 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=3111.0)
Quote from: Darth on March 21, 2011, 04:04:05 AM
OK, lets just say ââ,¬Â¦ hypothetically ââ,¬Â¦ Iââ,¬â,,¢ve developed a self-loading 6 shot breech adapter that automatically inserts the pellet just by cocking the gun. No rotating or anything.
And ââ,¬Â¦ hypothetically, lets say ââ,¬Â¦ it works on any stock Crosman steel breech for 22 caliber only (at this point).
And ââ,¬Â¦ hypothetically ââ,¬Â¦ it fits under a scope with standard height rings.
And perhaps can even be used with open sights ââ,¬Â¦
My REAL question is ââ,¬Â¦ how many of you right handers put the gun in your left hand to cock and load a pellet?
Darth
Hypothetically, when can you start making me one? ;)
One persons answer to your question; I generally don't swap to load, its too fumbley (if thats a word!).
It may depend on the breech being on a rifle or a pistol. Maybe even if I'm standing or prone too.
I generally stick with either left or right for that session but next time I may do it in reverse.
With a rifle I guess I can support it with the stock so I can load with my right and only hold the foregip
with my left (shooting right handed). With a pistol I don't have that support on offer.
Darth, If you do make a self loading
'Sith' breech, we can
CRUSH THE REBEL SCUM! :-*
New thoughts on the bolt side of breechs. As I mentioned in my review of the 1701P.
"This was also the first pistol Iââ,¬â,,¢ve used where the bolt handle on the pistol comes located on the left. This is to aid right-handed shooters with reloading a pellet without losing their grip. Normally I prefer bolts on any gun on the right side, so if you are like me you will be happy with the intelligent design of this pistol.
And just let me say this, after using this pistol with the bolt on the left side it is going to be very difficult to go back to the way I thought was best. I mean, Iââ,¬â,,¢m old and crotchety and stubborn but when I do see something that makes perfect sense, I can and will change."
So I'm going to be looking at getting a few new breechs with the cocking bolt on the left side. And I know I don't have that many choices. Sigh...
I will also be contacting Crosman engineering and ask them about rethinking their after-market breechs and offering them in left or right hand bolts.
Carl
After having had a couple of Crooked Barn Ultimate breeches, I've wondered why all the other aftermarket guys don't make them reversible...makes perfect sense to me (naturally :) ) Makers would use less material to make same number of breeches, and would be offering customers a more versatile product..... and customers could then change bolt from one side to other with no problem. but hey! what the "L' do I know ??? ??? ???
Wouldn't they use the same amount of material and just have more waste leftover? ???
As in less metal left on breech but more drilled/bored/cut away?
Or do you mean one you can rotate 180 degrees? (although I'm not sure how that would work!) :-*
Quote from: NorthStaR on March 21, 2011, 05:54:30 PM
Wouldn't they use the same amount of material and just have more waste leftover? ???
As in less metal left on breech but more drilled/bored/cut away?
Or do you mean one you can rotate 180 degrees? (although I'm not sure how that would work!) :-*
yepper but it would be lighter .i for one would either like to have a right OR left hand breech but woul prefer a lefty if given a choice .now if if produced something that works really,really well i might have a different take on this but until then ..............................
Quote from: Tommie D on March 21, 2011, 07:45:18 AM
You mean like this?
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=3111.0 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=3111.0)
NO !!! That one is a mechanical marvel and would cost a fortune to manufacture ... and to buy. Mine has only two (really one) moving parts.
This all started out because I thought it would be great to have a "second shot" quickly while hunting.
I'm just wondering if I should make a bunch of these things or just one for me.
I have an "operational test unit" I made. It feeds round nose (domed) pellets great. I need to work on the wad cutters yet. It feeds them, but not reliably. All you do it drop the pellets in a tube ... and thats it.
I know I'm not giving a lot of (none really) detail here, but I will say this ... it's gravity operated, meaning you must point it down towards the ground when cocking the gun for it to operate. This thing is so simple ... but it took me about 2 weeks to come up with it. I started out with a "mechanical marvel" also ... but who can afford that ??
The reason I've been asking about the breech side is because I'm sure the majority of everyone has the "right side breech" and was wondering how you right handed guys handled them. For me, (lefty) the breech is completely natural.
Darth
here is something to whet your whistle ---- these haven't been produced for years and very hard to find http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/message/1176077810/Pics+of+the+Boss+repeater+breech+are+up (http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/message/1176077810/Pics+of+the+Boss+repeater+breech+are+up)
Quote from: eric on March 21, 2011, 11:48:46 PM
here is something to whet your whistle ---- these haven't been produced for years and very hard to find http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/message/1176077810/Pics+of+the+Boss+repeater+breech+are+up (http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/message/1176077810/Pics+of+the+Boss+repeater+breech+are+up)
Why did they stop making it? Was there a sticking issue? Could have been very pellet fussy as I have heard tube feeders sometimes are.
???
i haven't heard why they stopped making it. maybe just a limited production run ??? . i have heard it was/is pellet particular though .not many folks talk about them .think it had an issue of loading the pellet but that was overcome with a little help from gravity .you might be able to dig up so more by "searching" the green.