Over the years i have built perhaps 25-28 2240-2250 platform guns. I did this for many reasons. sometimes a kid in our club wanted to try his hand at pistol shooting, and other times I built up a 22xx platform gun to see if i could build upa 22xxplatform to exceed the LDs performance. Eachtime I made this endevor the LD would be superiour hands down. In my lifetime i have had 7-8 L.Ds. currently I have 2 LDs with venom shrouds with Cracked ice shrouds mounted over the venom shrouds. Can you say quiet !!! Very accurate, and powerful.
as much as I have tried over the years I can not match the consistant performance of an L.D. I could get more power, not good in its self...but would lose consistantacy. I have spend up to 600.00 on a 22xx platform only to come back to the reality that the L.D is a world class airgun. Do I like the 22xx guns ??/yes I do..but dollar for dollar one just cannot beatthe performance, trigger and power of an LD. I do not work for Tim of Mac 1...But I can say after years of trail and error. The crosman mark one and two platforms are the way to go if one is seeking to upgrade a c02 pistol.
Cheap is always good....and the crosman custom shop allows one to build a fine C02 pistol but it will never be a LD.....Rant over !!! Please note this is not a bashing post..I love all the crosman guns...but the mark one platform is the cats meow....Sure wish this platform would be brought back.
kindly
ron
I like the 2240 platform as well and built 8 of them. They are very accurate and fun to build but the LD I have is superior in consistency and accuracy at longer ranges. I attribute that to the valve modification and HW barrel Tim uses as well as with the hangy tank allowing liquid to stay in the tank and not in the valve.
It is to bad Crosman does not dust off the molds and make the MK I anymore. For alot of guys it is just cheaper to build the 2240 a bit at a time.
Point very well taken
" For alot of guys it is just cheaper to build the 2240 a bit at a time." in these hard economic times you hit the nail on the head. For me i would be willing to spend 100.00 for a new crosman mark in 22 cal if it was just like the ones made back in the day. I shoot my ruger mark 2s allot and when ipick up a old crosman mark well you know..I am in heaven.....They say we can never go back but crosman would have a gold mine on thier hand if the brought the mark back...Just my 2 cents.
kindly
ron
as recent and last purchase (so far) i picked up a mkI at higher than going rate but overall very pleased with the purchase . the feel and the trigger is awesome.haven't shot a LD as of yet and most of the feedback i read is in line of what your saying.as for crosman going back in time to resurrect those old school guns that would be great but cost of new verses old is probably significantly lower .look at the module guns they produce and what they have done away with so they can bring others in and still stay competitive. i would be all for a current model of the CR160 .the mkI and II would be nice but the price would probably be too high for most imo
The MK1 is my favourite pistol. I too would like to see its return but at least after all this time they keep resurfacing for
the next cosman patient. I got a reseal kit from Tim at Mac1 and it made an old leaker a sealed pin point shooter.
My MK1 has more power than a 2240 stock. :-*
Quote from: CrazyGrant on June 26, 2011, 07:13:18 PM
I like the 2240 platform as well and built 8 of them. They are very accurate and fun to build but the LD I have is superior in consistency and accuracy at longer ranges. I attribute that to the valve modification and HW barrel Tim uses as well as with the hangy tank allowing liquid to stay in the tank and not in the valve.
It is to bad Crosman does not dust off the molds and make the MK I anymore. For alot of guys it is just cheaper to build the 2240 a bit at a time.
Well put. That's why Tim has no problems selling them. If you want the most accurate pistol at 25-50 yards that money can buy, it's the Mac1 LD.
I have and have had 20 different 2240 guns. All built to different specifications and power levels. They all shot or shoot great. I also have two Mark 1s and one LD. And all I can say is that until you have shot a Mark 1 or the LD, you cannot appreciate the difference. When Crosman built the Mark 1 and Mark 2 they really raised the bar on CO2 pistols just as they did with the Crosman 600.
Carl
I started slow on my LD. I bought a MKI for $130 and then save up for the LD w/o hangy tanks. I saved some more and bought hangy tanks. So built mine over time and it is a machine.
The MKI is my favorite crosman pistol too, as mentioned by some others. The trigger is superior, the power is good, the accuracy is just right on, and it looks and feels amazing! I have an old mkI in near new condition and I just love it. I feel that the the LD has the reputation for being the "Absolute Cream of the Crop" in crosman pistols.... I have wanted one for a really long time, and one day i will have one. one day!!! I love the 22xx guns as well, but i cant imagine one being better than an LD. it kinda like comparing old muscle cars to new ones. the classics will win everytime. lol. its just not fair in this scenerio. the LD is a super-modified version of an already superior gun, lol.
J.Austin
MKI = :-\
One thing I notice is that rarely does the MKII get a mention. Other than caliber is there a reason the MKI is more popular? Did they make more MKI's? ???
Other than grip colour and caliber I don't think there's any major differences...curiouser and curiouser!
For me .22 is my preferred caliber hence the MKI over the MKII. :P
"Curiouser and Curiouser" said Alice, and NorthStar. Amazing cause there are so few people that really know that quote. I'm impressed. :-*
I think there were more Mark 1s made but you are correct in that I rarely see the Mark II mentioned and that is odd because most target shooters prefer .177. I know I do and most all of my high end guns are .177.
Strange, very strange...
Carl
;)
Quote from: airgunbuff on June 26, 2011, 04:30:36 PM
I have 2 LDs with venom shrouds with Cracked ice shrouds mounted over the venom shrouds. Can you say quiet !!!
ron
Never heard of shroud on shroud mounting. Your saying there is another "Cracked ice" shroud over a venom shroud? Don't know what to think of that.
Quote from: quickster47 on June 27, 2011, 01:08:49 AM
I have and have had 20 different 2240 guns. All built to different specifications and power levels. They all shot or shoot great. I also have two Mark 1s and one LD. And all I can say is that until you have shot a Mark 1 or the LD, you cannot appreciate the difference. When Crosman built the Mark 1 and Mark 2 they really raised the bar on CO2 pistols just as they did with the Crosman 600.
Carl
Okay, if you had to choose between a Mark I/II or a 2240 (both modified), which would YOU choose? ???
I can't say I have seen many pictures of mark I and II's modified. And is a Mac 1 the same as a Mark I?
have a look thru this ----- http://my.tbaytel.net/coopers/CrosMkI/review.html (http://my.tbaytel.net/coopers/CrosMkI/review.html)
Quote from: chinaboy on January 13, 2012, 12:42:30 PM
I can't say I have seen many pictures of mark I and II's modified. And is a Mac 1 the same as a Mark I?
Mark I is a Crosman pistol; Mac 1 is a business.
Erics posted link is the best on the net. It covers everything. 8)
I can't say I have seen many pictures of mark I and II's modified. And is a Mac 1 the same as a Mark I?
Mark I is a Crosman pistol; Mac 1 is a business i think he means an LD which is a markI/II that has been modified
Here's a couple of links to Mac1 LDs from members on here:
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=516.msg3055#msg3055 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=516.msg3055#msg3055)
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=1791.msg14865#msg14865 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=1791.msg14865#msg14865)
Basically you can either send off an existing gun or buy an already modded one if they are in stock.
Tim @ mac1 makes some great seal kits too for these pistols amonsgt other bits'n'pieces.
I don't think he offers a. 177 it gets stamped were it said. 177, I think that if you added the better barrel and the tank you would be surprised, The LD is a great gun but I think with all due respect it ruins the look of a classic crosman. Just my opinion and I'm probably all alone :( but this is how I see it. If you had $600 in one alot of if not most of that cost was looks not performance based, believe me I have done it too. Its additive once you start with the bling.
Take Care,
Don
Quote from: eric on January 13, 2012, 02:03:05 PM
have a look thru this ----- http://my.tbaytel.net/coopers/CrosMkI/review.html (http://my.tbaytel.net/coopers/CrosMkI/review.html)
Eric, Great info link. Thanks :-*
Quote from: TENDERFOOT on January 15, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
I don't think he offers a. 177 it gets stamped were it said. 177, I think that if you added the better barrel and the tank you would be surprised, The LD is a great gun but I think with all due respect it ruins the look of a classic crosman. Just my opinion and I'm probably all alone :( but this is how I see it. If you had $600 in one alot of if not most of that cost was looks not performance based, believe me I have done it too. Its additive once you start with the bling.
Take Care,
Don
I would agree with you there. The Original is perfect as is; looks, trigger & accuracy. Spot on.
It's THE best air pistol I've ever shot. A real pleasure... :)
Couldn't agree more with you guys. Granted, I don't have near the 22xx arsenal that most have (2-2240, 1-2250, 3-MK1), but my MK's are my fav, hands down.
Here in Canada, we can't get an LD without an RPAL (restricted weapons permit, which I don't have >:(), so...I'm having one transformed into an LD "clone". It will be a sub-500fps gun (barely) to keep it legal, but not before I see what I can get out of it first!
Should have it back in a week or so, will do an in-depth comparison of stock 2240, MK1, and modified MK1 (new thread, don't want to hi-jack this one). Just another excuse to sling some lead ;D
Couple of teaser pics of LD clone in progress:
HH That thing is going to be Bad Axe. Are you doing the machine work for the shroud yourself?
Pretty darn cool. :-*
Quote from: 0351_Vet on January 16, 2012, 06:01:22 PM
...Are you doing the machine work for the shroud yourself?...
No. Machine work (shroud, barrel, valve, and custom piercing cap (adapted for HPA fitting) was done elsewhere. All I have to do is bead blast, wash, and paint (or powdercoat). Install seal kit, scope, and start shootin'.
Can't wait! Feel like a 5 yr old waiting for Santa! :-X ;D
Todd
Quote from: HappyHunter on January 16, 2012, 07:55:07 PM
No. Machine work (shroud, barrel, valve, and custom piercing cap (adapted for HPA fitting) was done elsewhere. All I have to do is bead blast, wash, and paint (or powdercoat). Install seal kit, scope, and start shootin'.
Can't wait! Feel like a 5 yr old waiting for Santa! :-X ;D
Todd
Todd,
Who are these part available from? Can you PM me a website or the fabricator? Thanks :-*
PM sent, 0351_Vet
Todd
Quote from: HappyHunter on January 17, 2012, 03:35:12 PM
PM sent, 0351_Vet
Todd
Thank you todd. Got it, just haven had time to respond in like kind. :-*