hello folks,new shooter and i can tell the neighbours are getting interested in the loud POP and plink of my pistol,i really need some kind of muzzle brake,ive searched through the forum and iam a little confused,some suggest a muzzle brake,some muzzle brakes are longer than others, are muzzle brakes heavy and will it upset the balance of the pistol, i have a dot sight already so the open sights can go,BTW iam in the uk so any good uk suppiliers would be really helpful,i really like the pistol at the length it is but its way to loud,sd custom do an adapter to fit the barrel with a 1/2 inch thread to accept most muzzle brakes,but i dont know which muzzle brake will be ok,any help would be much appreciated,ps i dont now all the terminolagy yet so plane speak would help no end
regards nick
For the quickest and easiest path I would suggest you take a look at this website: http://www.tko22.com/ (http://www.tko22.com/) and then contact Mike at 402-889-9222 or send him an eMail at sales@tko22.com and talk to him about what you are wanting. Mike is a great person to deal with and can fix you up with a good practical solution.
Carl
Nick either Gmac or SD are able to sort the adaptor, in the UK the "phut device" has to be bought face to face from an RFD / Airgun Store, these can't be sent by mail in the UK by an RFD / Airgun Store.
thanks guys,is there a right or wrong muzzle brake to buy for a pistol,is there a max and min length,how quiet and heavy are these muzzle brakes,sorry for 20 questions guys,i really have to sort this out,cos i can shoot off 100 shots easily and i really dont want the neighbours stopping my fun
nick
Check your PM Nick, this can be sorted very soon :)
Hmm, your post did not indicate you are in the UK so my reply is moot.
Carl
no probs my mistake ,appologies to forum
nick
op you are un the UK
you guys have the best shushers over there!
if only we didnt have to jump through hoops and pay through the nose to get them here!
I have a 2300T and u can not even hear it till the pellet hits the target and I am using a $15 delrin muzzle brake from Mellonair.
does anyone know the outside diameter of the barrel on a rabbit stopper,found a phut devise at a local sell it all type shop,wondered if the barrel diameter is the same as my 2300t,
nick
the flat bit at the end of the barrel is 11.2mm so an 11mm adapter will do it, then personally i would fit a weirauch shusher.
Quote from: hotshot on September 12, 2011, 12:35:31 AM
the flat bit at the end of the barrel is 11.2mm so an 11mm adapter will do it, then personally i would fit a weirauch shusher.
You can get a
SWIFT Sssssssusher for half the price with the same outcome. Or 2 for 1! ;)
crossy72, as your UK based these devces are 100% legal over here. Not in the US. I would suggest a trip to a good dealer near wherever
you reside and ask him what he has. Like I said a SWIFT brand (UK made) is a clone of the Weirauch and worth a look. UK based dealers can't
sell them over the web/post legally to another UK citizen so a trip may be in order either way.
The UK/Europe versions may have certain features and legal grounding that may or may not make them better than our
over-the-pond-partners or at least easier to get imported. Generally UK ones are threaded (the good ones) and US ones are slip-ons.
Cheap UK ones are slip-ons. (NO DISSING HERE, JUST FACT! ;) )
The thread is a 1/2 UNF. The best way is to use an adaptor (which you've already discovered) as this means you can put on a nice James Bond
Ssssssh tube or you can try a muzzle brake, air stripper and so on. It gives you mulitple options that are swappable.
Some of the terms on here are either named wrongly or the forum software alters the final post so the real name for that silent tube is lost.
This makes things over complicated and confusing. I've attached a picture showing a few differences in the devices but certain info cannot
be discussed on here. ;)
pillow over the target assassin style ;D
right many thanks for all that have chipped in,have found out that most of the barrels fitted to crosman c02 pistols,2240 ,2300 and ratcatcher etc are 11mm external diameter,and have found a shop that sells kasu slip on shusher's marketed for the ratcatcher,so iam going at the weekend to look,failing that he also sells adapters and hogan decimeter shushers but a little dearer though,but having said that i will pay for piece and quiet,so i can plink in piece
nick :-*
Who makes the quietest LEGAL Hushpuppy for the 1377C pumper here in the USA?? I have a MountainAire Shroud on a 14.5 in barrell. Even though I'm a little(?) hard of hearing, I have no trouble hearing loud Pop besides the trigger and other associated noises. With my Radio Shack DB meter placed 3 foot to the side of the end of the shroud, I get a 67 dB reading at 12 pumps.
Quote from: Make MY day on September 14, 2011, 03:19:56 AM
Who makes the quietest LEGAL Hushpuppy for the 1377C pumper here in the USA?? I have a MountainAire Shroud on a 14.5 in barrell. Even though I'm a little(?) hard of hearing, I have no trouble hearing loud Pop besides the trigger and other associated noises. With my Radio Shack DB meter placed 3 foot to the side of the end of the shroud, I get a 67 dB reading at 12 pumps.
For the quickest and easiest path I would suggest you take a look at this website: http://www.tko22.com/ (http://www.tko22.com/) and then contact Mike at 402-889-9222 or send him an eMail at sales@tko22.com and talk to him about what you are wanting. Mike is a great person to deal with and can fix you up with a good practical solution.
Carl
Thanks quidkster47! I forgot about the darned SnowBirds who will be coming south in a month or two. Most of them who own places where I live are German Baptist who dislike cats but seem to love the treerats as long as they are on someone else's property
hy guys, well got a sound moderator from a local shooting/fishing/general anything type establishment and its quiet,really whisper quiet,its a KASU ESM9,designed for the rabbit stopper and ratcatcher and comes as a single unit secured by a a grub screw onto the barrel,would have preffered a seperate adapter and screw on sound device,but life isnt perfect and i can now plink away,my pistol is now heavy and free hand aiming is difficult but looks similar to many pistols on the forum,so if you guys can shoot em then i can hopefully master it,will post a picture when i figure out how to compress the file
nick :-*
Quote from: crossy72 on September 17, 2011, 03:27:24 PM
Will post a picture when i figure out how to compress the file.
nick :-*
What type of computer and operating system are you using?
Carl
If you can't manage to shrik it yourself here's how to get the job done easily :-*
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=58.0 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=58.0)
a good polish and lube for all moving parts (mirror finish ) delrin or ptfe covers for impacting parts to prevent impact vibration noise (may need replacing every now and then) this will prevent as much internal noise as possible then its down to gas managment the less gas you use per shot the easier it will be to contain (make shhhh) so yes shhher is vital but not the only concern when trying to make a gas gun whisper quiet
aaron :)
Another thing you might consider is installing a HDD (Hammer Debounce Device).
So why is a HDD necessary? Well, glad you asked that. The problem with the Crosman 22xx CO2 guns is hammer bounce (repeatedly hitting the exhaust valve, releasing small burps of CO2) and that wastes gas. So anything you can do to keep the hammer from repeatedly striking the valve will improve (lessen) the CO2 usage. Therefore, less CO2 gets wasted when the hammer isn't bouncing into the valve multiple times per trigger pull. The design of the HDD for Crosman pistols allows the hammer to fly forward without any drag, but as soon as it starts snapping backward the HDD expands against the walls of the bolt bore and brakes it. This stops the hammer from opening the valve multiple times as it bounces back and forth between the hammer spring and valve spring tension, which obviously just wastes gas.
The HDD fits over the hammer's cocking pin, with the slot/opening facing backward. The opening/slot is what makes the device expand; the hammer snapping backwards makes the pin attempt to back out of that opening/slot and makes the body expand in the bolt bore, creating friction to slow the hammer. Forward motion isn't restricted though, so your shot velocity remains unaffected. You just get way more shots per fill since it isn't re-opening the valve after the pellet's already gone.
It's also worth mentioning that a gun is a lot quieter with the HDD installed.
Carl
So Carl,
Can you recommend an HDD that is affordable and reliable? The reported problems with AOA's HDD has me a little aprehensive about spending $20 + shipping for one that might last for a tin of pellets.
Cheers,
Jerry
Actually I believe you can get one from arkmaker that appears to work quite well. But let me say that if you have a highly modified gun for power the life expectancy of any HDD will be shortened simply because of the added force and stress on the part.
Take a look at this article by the person who originally designed the AoA HDD.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/thread/1308750408/Crosman+Bolt+mod'+to+eliminate+AoA+HDD+breakage- (http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/thread/1308750408/Crosman+Bolt+mod'+to+eliminate+AoA+HDD+breakage-)
I have one in my 2300KT that I use for target shooting and it has been there now for longer than a year and is still working. But that gun is detuned for paper killing.
Carl
worked out how to resize,so hear she is with the biggest apendage ever,shot loads though it this afternoon as its soooooo quiet and had a right laugh,everything in our bin "trash bin" has hole's in it,the extra weight fades away after 50 plus shots,
lovin it
nick :-*
Nice and simple 2300T. I like it. Now you need a nice pair of wooden grips to really set it off.
Carl
your absolutly right carl, that is my next purchase,really like the pistol but the plastic grips are rank,also i want to refit the original fibre optic front sight,which will need to be drilled through and slid behind the sound mod,ive measured the height and it clears the mod,
any ideas who does nice grips in the uk,sd custom designs one's are the right money and come in ambidex but the finish could be better, only other thing to try and sort is the trigger,now ive now shot around 300 rounds through the pistol and still the trigger feels vague
nick :-*
nice to see your all setup...(this is a great forum).
that pistol looks great.
cheers mate,yeah its coming on nicely, got the pistol dirt cheap so theres some money in the pot to mod, trigger mod is next nothing fancy maybe a shoe and polish and reduce the side play,then some nice grips
nick :-*
cheers is right on the timing...
im stuck with half a pony keg of Heinekin, im trying to polish off, your post hit the nail right on the head... 8)
salute ! (http://freeemoticonsandsmileys.com/animated%20emoticons/Drinking%20Animated%20Emoticons/cheers.gif)
btw..i don't know how trigger shoes feel, but quickster 47 sent me an awesome fatty brass trick (i think from millio air) that is beautiful and great.
combine that with the 2stage sear, and a TKO spring, i have a very light and easy paper puncher...just hit 18 bullseyes in a row at 7 meters (with a rest)...
Quote from: crossy72 on September 18, 2011, 09:29:22 AM
....any ideas who does nice grips in the uk
nick :-*
GMAC (UK) has an offshoot company that sells grips made by a member on here (HellGrips):
http://www.eurogrips.co.uk/ (http://www.eurogrips.co.uk/)
Perhaps a little pricier than SD or you could try the maker direct - you never know! ;)
A question or two on the TKO22 Stage V Shrouds. How far do you have the muzzle inserted into the Stage V shrouds for the quietest report? I have 3 3/4 inch of barrel from the barrel band to the muzzle on my 1377C pnumatic and just received my 7 inch Stage V shroud from Mike today.
Usually less than two inches. It should ft very, very snug. So snug that you might think you do not need the set screws to keep it on.
What you have exposed should be plenty.
Carl
Quote from: Make MY day on September 25, 2011, 03:11:22 AM
A question or two on the TKO22 Stage V Shrouds. How far do you have the muzzle inserted into the Stage V shrouds for the quietest report? I have 3 3/4 inch of barrel from the barrel band to the muzzle on my 1377C pnumatic and just received my 7 inch Stage V shroud from Mike today.
cheers for the link to gmac,think iam going to try a set of sd grips as her in doors shoots left hand,and she likes a plink now and then,the sd grips come in ambedex,the finish on some of grips on he is unbelievable,would like some day to try making a set of my own
nick :-*
whooops quoted from the wrong member,now witch end does the pellet come out of LOL
NICK :-[
Not sure witch end the pellet comes out Nick. But you can put your ear lobe near one end and squeeze the trigger in place of the paper test.
Just had a chance to test my new TKO22 Stage V modified Mountainaire shroud between the monsoon rains this afternoon. With the original shroud. I was getting a low of 64 dB with a Radio Shack DB meter set 3 foot from the end of the shroud. With the TKO modified shroud, I'm getting readings between 53 & 55 dB, at 12 pumps and the meter about 1 foot from the end. I'm impressed but is it fair to the tree rats?
Now I just have to figure how to quite the trigger noise.