I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere before but a search didn't produce anything so I'm starting this thread. While at the post office the other day I asked the clerk about mailing air pistols and she wasn't sure but said she didn't think it was allowed. I just checked the USPS website and the below text is what I found. The question is, what is "enough force to be used as a weapon". Any thoughts?
"Summary C024 describes other restricted or nonmailable items (e.g., firearms, sharp
instruments, controlled substances, pesticides).
1.0 PISTOLS, REVOLVERS, AND OTHER CONCEALABLE FIREARMS
Definitions
1.1
The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:
a. Handgun means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm or device the mailing of
which is regulated by this standard.
b. Pistol or revolver means a handgun styled to be fired by the use of a single
hand and to fire or otherwise expel a projectile by the action of an explosion,
spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force
to be used as a weapon."
http://pe.usps.com/archive/pdf/dmmarchive0810/c024.pdf (http://pe.usps.com/archive/pdf/dmmarchive0810/c024.pdf)
Quote from: sandpiper on March 27, 2012, 01:01:58 PM
I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere before but a search didn't produce anything so I'm starting this thread. While at the post office the other day I asked the clerk about mailing air pistols and she wasn't sure but said she didn't think it was allowed. I just checked the USPS website and the below text is what I found. The question is, what is "enough force to be used as a weapon". Any thoughts?
"Summary C024 describes other restricted or nonmailable items (e.g., firearms, sharp
instruments, controlled substances, pesticides).
1.0 PISTOLS, REVOLVERS, AND OTHER CONCEALABLE FIREARMS
Definitions
1.1
The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:
a. Handgun means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm or device the mailing of
which is regulated by this standard.
b. Pistol or revolver means a handgun styled to be fired by the use of a single
hand and to fire or otherwise expel a projectile by the action of an explosion,
spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force
to be used as a weapon."
http://pe.usps.com/archive/pdf/dmmarchive0810/c024.pdf (http://pe.usps.com/archive/pdf/dmmarchive0810/c024.pdf)
Well that is a funny thing many members will call a air gun a weapon i never do because it's not a weapon. A weapon is used to protect yourself to kill, hunt ect.With all of my training with guns this is what i was told. Now firearms are another thing if you dont use a gun as a weapon meaning for target shooting it is a firearm. At the range i shoot at we all a trained not to call them weapons.
Mike
most of the air guns i have came thru the usps --- priorty mail mostly .if asked you can say is it sporting goods .i sent out my CR160 thur the usps --- no problems .if it is a firearm and they happen to check ,there might be a problem though
I was at the post office yesterday mailing 9 or 10 packages. 2 of them were guns--a 2240 and a 357.
I had them wrapped in so much paper and taped up with about 15 pounds of heavy duty tape (good luck opening your packages guys!)...
They didn't look like guns at all, but I just packed them in padded envelopes and sealed them.
When I got to the counter the lady asked if I had any hazardous material, chemicals, etc. I said yes, there's Co2 in one of these. She didn't know what Co2 was, so I said, it's what makes soda bubbly. She goes, "oh that's not hazardous" and she continued on processing my packages.
Either way, I sent guns and co2 carts withought an issue. I was thinking about it, and at this point, I don't think the U.S. Post Office can afford to care what gets sent in packages. Their financial situation is unbelievable, and they need as much liquid revenue as possible.
I always put it down as " machined parts ".... :-*
Air guns are not firearms (i.e. no FFL required), so shipping USPS should not be a problem. Some of my airguns were delivered to me via USPS and I always send items for repair USPS.
Quote from: KevinP on March 27, 2012, 03:21:07 PM
I always right it down as " machined parts ".... :-*
I did that at UPS last week. The satelite location I ship from doesn't let me ship any type of gun period.
So I turned the box inside out, taped it up nicely and brought it in. When they asked what was in it, I said 'parts'
Didn't mention they were all together and formed a beast of an airgun....
UPS will ship guns to and from dealers only.
Mike
I recently tried to purchase a p-rod .22cal with an LW barrel and asked it be shipped via usps and the owner said they would not accept it. The other carriers wanted an arm and a leg for shipping. Finally the deal didn't go through. I was really disappointed because it was a very good deal. The owner kept the gun and sold the .22 barrel and bought a .117 barrel. :(
Quote from: turbonoma on March 27, 2012, 04:44:59 PM
I recently tried to purchase a p-rod .22cal with an LW barrel and asked it be shipped via usps and the owner said they would not accept it. The other carriers wanted an arm and a leg for shipping. Finally the deal didn't go through. I was really disappointed because it was a very good deal. The owner kept the gun and sold the .22 barrel and bought a .117 barrel. :(
I encountered a similar situation when trying to get a dealer to mail me an air pistol using USPS; didn't happen. RC
Quote from: breakfastchef on March 27, 2012, 03:31:28 PM
Air guns are not firearms (i.e. no FFL required), so shipping USPS should not be a problem. Some of my airguns were delivered to me via USPS and I always send items for repair USPS.
That is correct.Air guns ship no problem...You can even ship a black powder arm,since the USPS goes off the Federal definition of a fire arm,and a Cap,and ball pistol or black powder rifle falls outside of that definition.""I called to verify this in the Spring of 2010". Rules do change,so better to confirm this yourself before hand. That being said,be careful here,as some States consider black powder guns a firearm regardless of the Federal definition.If you send a black powder arm to one of those states,even though you can ship it with no problem,you really need to make sure that you ship to someone that has an FFL,to protect yourself legally.Once your package crosses into an FFL State,from a non FFL State,and you didn't do the research before hand,can bring trouble.Also,Some States do consider air guns firearms as well,and do require FFL,so the same would apply."In Illinois a buyer has to have a FOID card to purchase,an air gun through someone who has a valid FFL.Some places are ridiculous,and consider almost anything that shoots a metal projectile a firearm.Not only is it important to check the State law where your airgun is going,but the County,or City regs,as well,as laws can get confusing.
Mark
Quote from: Crosshairs on March 27, 2012, 04:41:53 PM
UPS will ship guns to and from dealers only.
Mike
Mike I think that depends on the state, because I get guns shipped via UPS and FedEx straight from PyramydAir all the time. I read that PA can only ship to dealers in states where a license is needed for a gun (like NY), and you have to go pick it up from them.
Unless you meant real guns---I wouldn't know about that..
Quote from: woody67 on March 27, 2012, 06:46:03 PM
Mike I think that depends on the state, because I get guns shipped via UPS and FedEx straight from PyramydAir all the time. I read that PA can only ship to dealers in states where a license is needed for a gun (like NY), and you have to go pick it up from them.
Unless you meant real guns---I wouldn't know about that..
That's right...it depends on location.
So I guess it would be illegal for me to send an airgun to someone in a state where a license is required. For example, if I sold a gun to Mike, I should send it to a local dealer so he could pick it up there?
I wonder who would get in trouble if the package got stopped.
Quote from: woody67 on March 27, 2012, 07:11:17 PM
So I guess it would be illegal for me to send an airgun to someone in a state where a license is required. For example, if I sold a gun to Mike, I should send it to a local dealer so he could pick it up there?
I wonder who would get in trouble if the package got stopped.
Correct...However,you could always break it down,and send the parts.But keep in mind,that under Federal Law it's the part that has the serial number on it that is considered the firearm,or restricted item etc.Most other parts are generally okay..."Again always check it out". Here's an example....Let's say you ship Mike a slide to a .45 auto,and that slide has a serial number on it....That slide IS the firearm,just by itself.What makes the issue confusing is that on the Federal level the law doesn't consider air guns or cap,and ball black powder guns a firearm,but on the State,County,and City level the definitions can get tweaked,for that specific area.It's of the utmost importance that you check all laws,as the responsibility falls on you.That being said I've shipped hundreds of air gun "Parts",and not had an issue.To answer the last part of your question, generally it's the seller that gets busted.But the buyer could also get in trouble for possession of a controlled item....hope this helps.
Quote from: Crosshairs on March 27, 2012, 01:25:05 PM
Well that is a funny thing many members will call a air gun a weapon i never do because it's not a weapon. A weapon is used to protect yourself to kill, hunt ect.With all of my training with guns this is what i was told. Now firearms are another thing if you dont use a gun as a weapon meaning for target shooting it is a firearm. At the range i shoot at we all a trained not to call them weapons.
Mike
well airguns are not a toy it says so right on the tube
what do you classify it as then?
Quote from: Crosshairs on March 27, 2012, 01:25:05 PM
Well that is a funny thing many members will call a air gun a weapon i never do because it's not a weapon. A weapon is used to protect yourself to kill, hunt ect.With all of my training with guns this is what i was told. Now firearms are another thing if you dont use a gun as a weapon meaning for target shooting it is a firearm. At the range i shoot at we all a trained not to call them weapons.
Mike
Oh, I think I've seen you kill a few birds with a couple of Crosman
weapons. ;) Just messing! :D ;D ;D ;D
But I do agree, they're firearms and should be treated as such. Even used in a malicious way, it is still a firearm.
my take on this is
if i can ship my firearm rifle to myself across state lines.perfectly legal using usps then im going to ship my airgun to whoever wants it
i have sold countless airguns all shipped usps priority mail not one problem yet
Here's a-little break down on shipping,and other legalities,pertaining to complete air guns,and"Controlled or prohibited items"as copied from the PA site...
Canadian residents:
Airguns
Black airsoft guns
Optics: Dot sights, lasers or scopes
California
Blowguns
Blowgun bolts & darts
Foregrips
Connecticut
Foregrips
Delaware
Dover
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Wilmington
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Florida
St. Augustine
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Illinois
Airguns over 700 fps and larger than .18 caliber
Aurora
Foregrips
Chicago
Airguns
Airsoft guns
Blank guns
Blank gun ammo
Cook County
Foregrips
Evergreen Park
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Massachusetts
Blowguns
Blowgun bolts & darts
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Michigan
Residents may not purchase:
Pellet guns measuring 30 inches or less (overall length). Guns with rifled barrels that are 30" or less in overall length are regulated by the State and require a concealed gun permit or a state license to purchase a pistol.
Guns that have muzzle brakes or baffles (either internal or external) that will silence, muffle or in any way reduce the report (sound) of an airgun.
Smoothbore air rifles and smoothbore air pistols of .177 caliber or less do not require a permit regardless of overall length. Also, all airsoft guns are exempt.
Michigan residents may purchase pellet guns that require state permits or licenses by following these steps:
1. Inform Pyramyd Air of the item you want to purchase.
2. Find a local participating dealer/retailer and let us know where to ship your gun. The item will be shipped to the designated dealer/retailer in your area.
3. Go to your local police department and get a permit to purchase the airgun. Each pellet gun purchase must have a separate permit.
4. After the permit is issued to you by the police, take it to the gun store where your gun was shipped.
5. After the permit is presented to the store and their fee is paid, they will give you the airgun.
6. Take the airgun back to the police department for a safety check and ballistics test.
7. After the tests are conducted and they determine that the airgun is safe, you can take the airgun home.
muzzle brakes or baffles
Minnesota
Duluth
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Missouri
St. Louis
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
New Jersey
Pellet guns & BB guns: Residents can buy them from us through a designated local gun store after acquiring the appropriate firearm permit (airguns are considered firearms per NJ state law: Title 2C:39-1). Your local gun store must fax a copy of their FFL to Pyramyd Air in order for us to ship the gun you ordered. [Airsoft guns may be restricted by some local laws. It is up to you to determine if airsoft guns may be owned/possessed/used without special permits in their locale.]
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
New York
Foregrips
Wrist-braced slingshots
New York City & it's 5 boroughs: Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens & Staten Island
(incl. ZIP Codes 100xx-104xx, 111xx, 112xx-114xx & 116xx)
Airguns
Air rifles
BB guns
Blank guns
Blank gun ammo
Blowguns
Blowgun bolts & darts
Crossbows
Lasers
Locking folding knives with blades longer than 4 inches
Longbows
North Carolina
Blank guns
Blank gun ammo
Pennsylvania
Philadelphia
Air pistols
Air rifles
Airsoft guns
BB guns
Blowguns
Blowgun bolts & darts
Crossbows
Longbows
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo
Slingshot accessories
Puerto Rico
Blank guns
Blank gun ammo
Rhode Island
Blank guns
Blank gun ammo
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
South Carolina
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Tennessee
Johnson City
Airguns
Air rifles
Airsoft guns
BB guns
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Knoxville
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Utah
Salt Lake County
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Virginia
Blank guns
Blank gun ammo
Falls Church
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Washington, D.C.
Airguns
Air rifles
Airsoft guns
BB guns
Wisconsin
Madison
Foregrips
Slingshots
Slingshot ammo & slingshot accessories
Quote from: Mark5043 on March 27, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
Michigan residents may purchase pellet guns that require state permits or licenses by following these steps:
1. Inform Pyramyd Air of the item you want to purchase.
2. Find a local participating dealer/retailer and let us know where to ship your gun. The item will be shipped to the designated dealer/retailer in your area.
3. Go to your local police department and get a permit to purchase the airgun. Each pellet gun purchase must have a separate permit.
4. After the permit is issued to you by the police, take it to the gun store where your gun was shipped.
5. After the permit is presented to the store and their fee is paid, they will give you the airgun.
6. Take the airgun back to the police department for a safety check and ballistics test.
7. After the tests are conducted and they determine that the airgun is safe, you can take the airgun home.
Wow. :o That's enough to make you move state.
Quote from: NorthStaR on March 27, 2012, 09:23:31 PM
Wow. :o That's enough to make you move state.
Obviously they don't want guns of any kind. BTW, what's that amendment those darn guys wrote .... I think it was the second one that doesn't mean anything anymore? ???
its up to the buyer to know their laws.their the ones who have to deal with the consequences
Quote from: woody67 on March 27, 2012, 06:46:03 PM
Mike I think that depends on the state, because I get guns shipped via UPS and FedEx straight from PyramydAir all the time. I read that PA can only ship to dealers in states where a license is needed for a gun (like NY), and you have to go pick it up from them.
Unless you meant real guns---I wouldn't know about that..
Sorry Woody im ment to say powder burners.
Mike
Interesting thread. Co2 is a hazardous material according to the USPS, so you should not mail it. If you read the definition is states "air" powered as well, so technically, you are breaking the law when sending airguns through the mail. Now I wish I never read that, because now I have no deniability!
Also, I was looking at having a SS slide form one of my PB's blackened. I found in my research that you can in no instance ship a complete firearm using the USPS, but if I disassemble the gun and just send the slide, it is legal. A part or two, just so long as the weapon can not be assembled and used if someone were to receive the post in error.
That said, FedEx seems to be the shipper of choice for many online firearms dealers to brick and mortar dealers.
arkmaker it says that and yet you can legally ship a firearm rifle to yourself via usps
i have recieved firearm pistols at my ffl via usps but it has to be next day air.i have received a couple of pb pistols via priority mail via the ffl also.i depends on who's behind the counter
everytime i go to the post office and mail a package they ask if it is breakable parishable or hazardous never is there a gun in there
and they have opened some of my packages to inspect the contents.i have had packages shipped to me inspected also.almost thought i was going to lose my tko but they let it go through after a few days
ive shipped a few airguns through usps and straight up told the guy what they were. he didnt care as long as there wasnt any co2 in it. i think though if you HAD to tell them what it was, say it's a "BB gun"
Shifting the subject a bit but still on topic, what is the average fee a ffl dealer charges and is there a fee on both sides, seller's ffl and buyer's ffl?
Quote from: sandpiper on March 28, 2012, 12:51:34 PM
Shifting the subject a bit but still on topic, what is the average fee a ffl dealer charges and is there a fee on both sides, seller's ffl and buyer's ffl?
30-50 bucks and usually just on the receiving end
Quote from: arkmaker on March 28, 2012, 01:25:45 PM
30-50 bucks and usually just on the receiving end
That's more than some pistols are worth :o Not even worth buying a parts pistol.
Quote from: sandpiper on March 28, 2012, 12:51:34 PM
Shifting the subject a bit but still on topic, what is the average fee a ffl dealer charges and is there a fee on both sides, seller's ffl and buyer's ffl?
$15-$25 in TC,MN
More back to the OP and for the purpose of USPS.
The undisputable fact:
As several have stated...... local / state regs. aside, the USPS is required by law to follow the ATF and legal definition of a firearm. Air guns are not "firearms" and thus can be mailed..... period. Show me a USPS employee that refuses to accept a package and I'll show you "an official reprimand and policy council" about to happen. Ask me how I know this? And to add insult to injury the Station Master herself was snotty and when I very politely attempted to explain the situation, she got outright rude. She left me no choice but to start pulling rank & regs. on her and I quoted the DMM (Domestic Mail Manual) chapter & verse. At that point she took my name and asked me to leave. After I finshed the formal complaint to the I.G. & the Chief Postal Inspectors Office for official misconduct, I received a very nice written apology. I didn't want to cause a scene or get anyone in trouble but I will not allow tire tracks across my back from anyone, especially someone in a supervisory capacity that it is THEIR JOB to know the regs. Unfortunately, she was reassigned, which was not my intention but so be it. She forced my hand as a legal tax paying citizen and considering where I located in the pacific, I have no other option for shipping.
The short of it:
Make it easy on your self and don't invite potential issue. Label it as sporting goods and let it go. Totally correct, proper & legal.... no issues.
Co2, or any pressurized container such as scuba tanks, spare air etc. in ANY SIZE are considered HAZMAT and should not be shipped through USPS unless the valve or fill core has been removed and the vessel has zero pressure. I know a fellow that sent a small spare air scuba tank from here on Saipan to Guam and was fined $500. They never told him how the found out what in the box or other details but they DO inspect packages at random visually, with X-ray etc. They did make it real clear to him that if he wished to contest or appeal, the fine could be as much as $10,000. Take the Co2 out :-*
Capt. Thomas
Quote from: Capt. Thomas on March 28, 2012, 06:11:17 PM
She left me no choice but to start pulling rank & regs. on her and I quoted the DMM (Domestic Mail Manual) chapter & verse.
Capt. Thomas
If you received an official apology our question is answered. I am curious about the wording in the DMM though because I can see how the post office personel would be confused, assuming you're referring the same section.
"
11.1.1 Definitions
The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:
a.
Handgun means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm or device the mailing of which is regulated by this standard.
b. Pistol or revolver means a handgun styled to be fired by the use of a single hand and to fire or
otherwise expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon.
c.
Firearm means any device, including a starter gun, designed to, or that may readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with
enough force to be used as a weapon."
OP,
maybe if you posted the wloe definition instead of a link you would get a clear answer
i know for a fact you can send firearm handguns through the usps
every hangun(firearm) i got from out of state came via next day or priority usps mail to my ffl,since they are a firearm proper paperwork has to be filed
if you are that unclear send it to a ffl they cant do any paperwork onit because its not a firearm.maybe they wont charge the receiver
by definition add a stock to your airpistol call it a carbine rifle barrel size doesnt matter because it is not a firearm
then send it
Air gun is the most accurate description.
Fire-arms use a combustable power source.
Absolutely anything can be used as a "weapon", pens, pillows, words..
So no more posting any of those, including letters?
Quote from: 1377x on March 28, 2012, 11:34:24 PM
OP,
maybe if you posted the wloe definition instead of a link you would get a clear answer
i know for a fact you can send firearm handguns through the usps
every hangun(firearm) i got from out of state came via next day or priority usps mail to my ffl,since they are a firearm proper paperwork has to be filed
if you are that unclear send it to a ffl they cant do any paperwork onit because its not a firearm.maybe they wont charge the receiver
by definition add a stock to your airpistol call it a carbine rifle barrel size doesnt matter because it is not a firearm
then send it
The link was provided for anyone interested in participating in this thread. One click and you're there. The original post was created to encorage discussion regarding a controversial subject. Anyone not interested didn't need to click it and although many have said they've mailed usps, I don't see any text in this thread qualifying it legal or not.
Quote from: Capt. Thomas on March 28, 2012, 06:11:17 PM
More back to the OP and for the purpose of USPS.
The undisputable fact:
As several have stated...... local / state regs. aside, the USPS is required by law to follow the ATF and legal definition of a firearm. Air guns are not "firearms" and thus can be mailed..... period.
The short of it:
Make it easy on your self and don't invite potential issue. Label it as sporting goods and let it go. Totally correct, proper & legal.... no issues.
That pretty well sums it up.USPS does ship complete airguns.I've done it many times.USPS will ship it,"but the responsibility,falls on the shipper,for any legal issues",pertaining to it's destination.Is it's important to make sure your aware of those laws.Some places take the issue very seriously.Chances are that you won't have an issue,but I'm of the mindset,of "why take that chance"?I live 60 miles North of San Francisco CA.If you get caught with an airgun in that City,you will be arrested on the spot.."even something as benign,as a Daisy Red Ryder".Even though I CAN ship complete air guns through USPS,there are places where I absolutely won't.It may be a-little of topic here,as pertaining to the OP's specific USPS issue,but important none the less....
im not going to clickon the link myself
like i said before
i have received firearm handguns legally through usps numerous times
have sent airguns numerous times through usps with no issues
if your scared go to church
or
use other means of shipping bottom line
this thread is getting old
Quote from: 1377x on March 29, 2012, 01:23:11 AM
if your scared go to church
or
use other means of shipping bottom line
this thread is getting old
;D
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I love this stuff....
(http://airgunhome.com/agforum/images/smiles/deadhorse.gif)
i believe the OP's question has been answered
if that's not satisfactory
i guess we cant help
Quote from: Mark5043 on March 29, 2012, 01:27:50 AM
;D
Yah, that was a real knee slapper ;D
Stating an air gun was sent or received through usps legally is a valid point. Busting my balls through smartass comments has nothing to do with usps regulations.
Quote from: sandpiper on March 29, 2012, 02:10:21 AM
Yah, that was a real knee slapper ;D
Stating an air gun was sent or received through usps legally is a valid point. Busting my balls through smartass comments has nothing to do with usps regulations.
no ones bustin your balls
this thread is going in circles
you have countered what others have said
this thread is dead
Quote from: sandpiper on March 29, 2012, 02:10:21 AM
Yah, that was a real knee slapper ;D
Stating an air gun was sent or received through usps legally is a valid point. Busting my balls through smartass comments has nothing to do with usps regulations.
exactly and i might add that this a discusion with many opinions and no need to get testy and put others off
Quote from: sandpiper on March 27, 2012, 01:01:58 PM
I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere before but a search didn't produce anything so I'm starting this thread. While at the post office the other day I asked the clerk about mailing air pistols and she wasn't sure but said she didn't think it was allowed. I just checked the USPS website and the below text is what I found. The question is, what is "enough force to be used as a weapon". Any thoughts?
"Summary C024 describes other restricted or nonmailable items (e.g., firearms, sharp
instruments, controlled substances, pesticides).
1.0 PISTOLS, REVOLVERS, AND OTHER CONCEALABLE FIREARMS
Definitions
1.1
The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:
a. Handgun means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm or device the mailing of
which is regulated by this standard.
b. Pistol or revolver means a handgun styled to be fired by the use of a single
hand and to fire or otherwise expel a projectile by the action of an explosion,
spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force
to be used as a weapon."
http://pe.usps.com/archive/pdf/dmmarchive0810/c024.pdf (http://pe.usps.com/archive/pdf/dmmarchive0810/c024.pdf)
since no one has answered the question th op asked
and when someone replies the op want to counter it
it going in circles and no clear answer can be given
like i said before
we are beating a dead horse here
Quote from: sandpiper on March 28, 2012, 02:29:46 PM
That's more than some pistols are worth :o Not even worth buying a parts pistol.
I was talking firearms. From one dealer to another. That seems to be the going rate in North Florida.
Quote from: sandpiper on March 28, 2012, 06:33:13 PM
If you received an official apology our question is answered. I am curious about the wording in the DMM though because I can see how the post office personel would be confused, assuming you're referring the same section.
"
11.1.1 Definitions
The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:
a. Handgun means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm or device the mailing of which is regulated by this standard.
b. Pistol or revolver means a handgun styled to be fired by the use of a single hand and to fire or otherwise expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon.
c. Firearm means any device, including a starter gun, designed to, or that may readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon."
question answered
we are not usps lawyers
if one was here they would have spoke up by now.maybe but thats not the case
we cant interpret that.
so best use your better judgement --- as you can see folks use usps to ship the airguns and will continue to use usps until they scan every package and folks end up with HUGE FINES AND OR JAIL TIME . i will continue to use them if the need comes up again ......... :P
I hate this thread as much as I hate the 'for seen somewhere else on the net' thread.
They're both annoying and I don't care about either one of them.
I need my volcano now. Goodnight.
Good point Eric, I admit to using the USPS to send Air Guns in the past, but I also admit, than other than the Co2 part, I was ignorant to the facts that it looks like a state to state issue. Opps......once sent an airgun with a co2 bulb in it and another pressurized. Again, my own ignorance and lack of common sense ??? I am going to do a little research on my own about it as far as Florida vs the US. If I find out anything else other than what has been stated thus far, I'll post about it.
Rich
Live and Learn (uh, learning is just as important to the living part)
the united states of AMERICA isn't very united and with each state having different laws for all kinds of things the grey areas can be hard to tell from the black and white ones ......... the said laws say fire arms(a federal thing) and yet airguns are not considered firearms(federally) ,yet some states will consider some or all airguns fire arms (again the united thing ;) :) ) so maybe since the usps is federal ??? they will take into account ALL STATES if pressed, but again i will use them until they say no
Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a are mailable. A shipment containing an air gun with a muzzle velocity of 400 or more feet per second (fps) must include an Adult Signature service under 503.8.0. Mailers must additionally comply with all applicable state and local regulations. SO THERE IT IS http://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2011/pb22321/html/updt_001.htm (http://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2011/pb22321/html/updt_001.htm)