Was cleaning my 2240 today....barrel was a bit grimy, and was wondering what others use and find to be the best cleaning solvent. Specifically when cleaning the barrel should you avoid petroleum based cleaners similar to lubricants used like pellgun oil? Also is using pellgun oil okay for lubricating a cleaned barrel or would something else work better? ???
avoid anything for fire arms unless you take the barrel off .those solvents will eat your seals .goo gone,simple green and the likes work fine.
+1, No PB solvents or cleaners, a nylon brush and Rem Oil or the ubiquitous Goo-gone should be all that's needed, followed with clean patches. AG barrels should not have heavy residue or imbedded grime and muck like PBs can get... black oxides or pellet dust? yes, other stuff?, no.
any problem with opening the bolt and using aerosol Rem Oil with straw attached to the sprayer to spray down the barrel and following with patches?
Quote from: plasticclassic on May 16, 2012, 10:12:14 PM
any problem with opening the bolt and using aerosol Rem Oil with straw attached to the sprayer to spray down the barrel and following with patches?
I prefer a controlled application of cleaners using patches, and never scrub the bore.
I use Hopes #9. I just barely wet the patch and then run dry patches through. I've never had a problem.
Rich
I assume Hopes #9 is a non petroleum based cleaner....
Quote from: bradpsu on May 16, 2012, 11:28:41 PM
I assume Hopes #9 is a non petroleum based cleaner....
Oh sure ;D, from their MSDS, primary ingredients are: Kerosene, Ethyl Alcohol, Xylene...
PS I think what Arkmaker was noting is; he barely wetted the patch and cleaned the barrel, probably made little or no contact with any o-rings. Still, there is a wiping action at the transfer port and the receiver end of the barrel as the patch passes over. I just don't use (need) aggressive PB gun cleaners in my airguns. I have co2 pistols that are 12 years old cleaned only with Pellgunoil or Rem Oil and the seals and gaskets are like new, so are the barrels.
PSS I can hear the cringing >:( over the use of nylon bore brushes. In practical terms, they are only needed occasionaly but, just to be clear, any metal that cannot tolerate a nylon bore brush now and then ain't worth cleaning! ;)
I use brass brushes. Any bore that can't tolerate a brass brush is not steel. Only barrel I use nylon on is my 114, which has a brass barrel.
Steel is harder than brass and brass is harder than nylon. Never a problem so far with a few swipes back and forth with the appropriate brush.
folks have been using brass brushes for years with no ill effect . things like this are subjective with when and how to clean your barrel and with what just like what is better --- pelgunoil,atf,secret sauce or whatever ...
i cant believe people clean airgun barrels.powderburners i can see with the unburnt powder and lead fouling probably caused by heat more than anything
for two years and thousands of pellets my 2250 barrel hasnt been cleaned.it shoots so straight i hate to mess it up with a cleaning.its still stacking pellets
I use Krud Kutter it doesn't harm seals and it is very cheap for a 4 oz. bottle at Lowes hardware.It says cuts grease,grime,oil,tar and wax fast.
Quote from: mcc1961 on May 17, 2012, 05:57:04 AM
I use Krud Kutter it doesn't harm seals and it is very cheap for a 4 oz. bottle at Lowes hardware.It says cuts grease,grime,oil,tar and wax fast.
i used it to remove some stain on a stock before
isnt it boidegradable organic or something like that?
Quote from: 1377x on May 17, 2012, 05:52:28 AM
i cant believe people clean airgun barrels.powderburners i can see with the unburnt powder and lead fouling probably caused by heat more than anything
for two years and thousands of pellets my 2250 barrel hasnt been cleaned.it shoots so straight i hate to mess it up with a cleaning.its still stacking pellets
Sounds like the old saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it". If you look down the barrel with a flashlight you'll definitely see some lead debris. I wonder if even though it's not affecting accuracy it affects fps? Do you remember what fps it was shooting when new as compared to now?
Quote from: 1377x on May 17, 2012, 05:52:28 AM
i cant believe people clean airgun barrels.powderburners i can see with the unburnt powder and lead fouling probably caused by heat more than anything
for two years and thousands of pellets my 2250 barrel hasnt been cleaned.it shoots so straight i hate to mess it up with a cleaning.its still stacking pellets
again subjective ,some folks will and some won't .some say never clean your barrel and some will do it after so many pellets . for me only when the accuracy isnt there anymore
Quote from: sandpiper on May 17, 2012, 11:49:47 AM
Sounds like the old saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it". If you look down the barrel with a flashlight you'll definitely see some lead debris. I wonder if even though it's not affecting accuracy it affects fps? Do you remember what fps it was shooting when new as compared to now?
the barrel changes guns more than any of us change underware! ;)
on the last gun i got 530fps but then its not the on the first gun ,with the better modded valve, it was getting 560fps.now its going on a stock gun so
i am thinking about 420-430fps
now you have me wanting to check the bore.ill do that and report back
Well an accuracy issue made me check mine and give it a cleaning. Turns out the accuracy issue was more likely with the 22 cal Crosman Destroyers.....not a fan at this point. Very inconsistent. The hollow points are much better accuracy wise...just picked up another tin at the dreaded Wally Mart. Anyways...I've always been one to keep the barrel clean and all parts for that matter. I guess my Grandfather instilled that in me. "A well maintained gun just shoots better and it will last a lifetime if properly maintained", he would always tell me.
Quote from: bradpsu on May 17, 2012, 08:35:18 PM
Well an accuracy issue made me check mine and give it a cleaning. Turns out the accuracy issue was more likely with the 22 cal Crosman Destroyers.....not a fan at this point. Very inconsistent. The hollow points are much better accuracy wise...just picked up another tin at the dreaded Wally Mart. Anyways...I've always been one to keep the barrel clean and all parts for that matter. I guess my Grandfather instilled that in me. "A well maintained gun just shoots better and it will last a lifetime if properly maintained", he would always tell me.
remember that these are
AIR guns ;) :)
Quote from: bradpsu on May 17, 2012, 08:35:18 PM
Well an accuracy issue made me check mine and give it a cleaning. Turns out the accuracy issue was more likely with the 22 cal Crosman Destroyers.....not a fan at this point. Very inconsistent. The hollow points are much better accuracy wise...just picked up another tin at the dreaded Wally Mart. Anyways...I've always been one to keep the barrel clean and all parts for that matter. I guess my Grandfather instilled that in me. "A well maintained gun just shoots better and it will last a lifetime if properly maintained", he would always tell me.
Quote from: eric on May 17, 2012, 09:09:37 PM
remember that these are AIR guns ;) :)
these are airguns
my phase 2 1377 went 20+ years before it needed to be resealed
now my firearms are a different story they are as clean as mr.cleans shiny head.
i had an intratec tec-22,well i have had quite a few of them.
anyhow, they all had great accuracy out to 25yds-50yds the range distances.remember they are cheap combat style assault pistols
the last one i had was shooting good ran a couple-few hundred rounds through it then it start shooting like a shot gun.ran the bore snake through it. there was a lot of lead fouling in it,looked like i pulled a complete bullet from the barrel.after a thorough cleaning went back to the range it was shooting great again.i should have weighed the lead fouling pulled from the barrel :D
now i has shot thousands of rounds through my 2250 barrel accuracy was never affected.knock on wood ;)
Just curious Eric, with the "remember these are airguns" comment....other than maintenance being different from powder burners (which I'm aware of) are you suggesting that accuracy of airguns is something that we should not expect all the time? Just looking for a little clarity there I guess.....no offense. I know how seals are affected if using the wrong cleaners or lubrication. I guess I don't understand why one wouldn't expect to gain the benefits of a good cleaning now and then in regards to the performance and the life of the gun.
no offence taken . i wipe down my R9 after every shooting session and make sure things are good but i haven't found a need to clean the barrel since i gotten the gun 2 years ago. my crosmans i treat a little differently . maintenance is good but if you clean you barel every time you shoot or after you need to season the barrel again .the first few to a hundred or so of shots will be needed to bring back the full potential of the barrel . so again pretty subjective, some will never clean their barrels and others will after a certain number of shots .if you are having issues with accuracy and all else fails clean your barrel ,other that imho your wasting your time when you could be shooting :)
Quote from: bradpsu on May 17, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Just curious Eric, with the "remember these are airguns" comment....other than maintenance being different from powder burners (which I'm aware of) are you suggesting that accuracy of airguns is something that we should not expect all the time? Just looking for a little clarity there I guess.....no offense. I know how seals are affected if using the wrong cleaners or lubrication. I guess I don't understand why one wouldn't expect to gain the benefits of a good cleaning now and then in regards to the performance and the life of the gun.
I think, Eric's comment was more about air guns not fouling or having PB stuff down the bore or even in the actions, I don't think it was about expecting any less performance or accuracy. Besides, a well done 13XX or 22XX will likley out shoot any PB pistol at 20 to 30 meters, even WITH a dirty barrel :-*
Fair enough...I guess even though I haven't put a ton of rounds through my 2240 (approx 600 or so) I noticed something while in the market for another Crosman. I was looking at the Nitro Venom 22 cal break barrel and someone on here was kind enough to post a video of a test and review of the gun. During the review the reviewer commented on how dirty the barrel was fresh out of the box from Crosman....MUCH more so than any he's ever looked at before. This was all happening while I was having accuracy issues with a new pellet. So part of me wondered how dirty my barrel may have been out of the box. "Maybe" that was the issue....turns out while it was a bit dirty it was not the likely cause of my accuracy issue. That was the destroyer pellet and my guns apparent disdain for it.
Quote from: eric on May 17, 2012, 09:09:37 PM
remember that these are AIR guns ;) :)
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Eric, remember this butt-plate? Anything ever come of this? Looks slick :-*
Quote from: bradpsu on May 17, 2012, 11:15:36 PM
Fair enough...I guess even though I haven't put a ton of rounds through my 2240 (approx 600 or so) I noticed something while in the market for another Crosman. I was looking at the Nitro Venom 22 cal break barrel and someone on here was kind enough to post a video of a test and review of the gun. During the review the reviewer commented on how dirty the barrel was fresh out of the box from Crosman....MUCH more so than any he's ever looked at before. This was all happening while I was having accuracy issues with a new pellet. So part of me wondered how dirty my barrel may have been out of the box. "Maybe" that was the issue....turns out while it was a bit dirty it was not the likely cause of my accuracy issue. That was the destroyer pellet and my guns apparent disdain for it.
Ya, pellet fussiness, the bain of our hobby. My 2240 hates the CPHPs but loves the Round Nose CPs, go figure ??? :D
And.. a lot of the "crud" we see in new gun barrels is machine gunk and oils from our "off-shore" friends and lengths of barrels that lay around until used/cut to size. I doubt that any of the Chinese assemblers were tasked with actual visual inspection and cleaning of that pistol. Build it, clamshell it and get it on a freighter to the USA!
Quote from: BDS on May 17, 2012, 11:59:11 PM
Ya, pellet fussiness, the bain of our hobby. My 2240 hates the CPHPs but loves the Round Nose CPs, go figure ??? :D
And.. a lot of the "crud" we see in new gun barrels is machine gunk and oils from our "off-shore" friends and lengths of barrels that lay around until used/cut to size. I doubt that any of the Chinese assemblers were tasked with actual visual inspection and cleaning of that pistol. Build it, clamshell it and get it on a freighter to the USA!
you are right about the cruddy barrels.
when i get a barrel it is inspected before it touches my hands,another luxury of having a repair station handy.
i have seen bad barrels that came off of custom shop guns,so much crud in them they couldnt be salvaged
A little off topic here but is there anywhere I could get a Lothar Walther barrel in 22 caliber for my 2240? Only see them in .177. Would love to have one in stock length 7.5" or even 10" if that isn't an option. I was even on their site to see what they have to offer....barrel blanks basically and I don't have the capability to work with that.
try mountainair or mac-1
i saw them somewhere else just cant recall
Quote from: BDS on May 17, 2012, 11:21:23 PM
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Eric, remember this butt-plate? Anything ever come of this? Looks slick :-*
from the green ??? if so then no .kinda been wondering about them for a few years and nobody has said if he is still making those .my quess is he has stopped liked most of old small parts makers . there is still a email addy wiz2972@aol.com (wiz2972@aol.com) though
Quote from: BDS on May 17, 2012, 11:08:42 PM
I think, Eric's comment was more about air guns not fouling or having PB stuff down the bore or even in the actions, I don't think it was about expecting any less performance or accuracy. Besides, a well done 13XX or 22XX will likley out shoot any PB pistol at 20 to 30 meters, even WITH a dirty barrel :-*
;)
best bet for a .22 LW barrel is straight from LW and have some one machine and prep it .you could make some of money back if you use half of it and sell the other .bet it would go quick .only problem is money and time .lots of both .
i wonder if mellonair would be up for the job ???
don't know what he has for tools but if he would be a good canidate fer shur. roy from mountain air can do it . tim at mac1 one would be another but his turn around time for some might be the kicker .roy is pretty quick and very business like .
i think mellonair turns a 24" into two 12"
seems like when he runs out of barrels the 12" or less are still available
i know my local shop can make two barrels from a 24"
only problem with a .22 LW barrel is the OD is larger than a crosman (LW @ 12mm and CR @ 11mm) the lw.177 can be had 11mm so that could be a simple drop in fit/fix .the breech or barrel needs work if going with the .22 LW barrel . if charlie or your local folks can do that then all is good . roy and tim can do it ,not sure about charlie though . BandA might even be able to do it if they can fabricate parts .
I knew it would not be easy to find a LW in a 22 cal but it sounds like it's getting more complicated. Didn't know the OD was larger.....lot's of fun involved getting it to work....along with lot's of time and ditto on the money. I'm liking my Crosman barrel more and more...maybe down the road on the LW. Thanks for the info guys and feel free to explore it further. I'll take notes for the future! :-*
it would need to be turned down perferably in a lathe right?
then the leade and transfer port hole made?
i asked my local if he could make a maurader .25 barrel work in a 13xx or 22xx.he said he could.he also does a lot of airforce work they use lw barrel
im not a competition shooter the crosman barrels do the job for me.
if i want "quality" then i would get a fx gun.for those prices im better off going with a powder burner.shooting a 100yds or more it wont be inside
a lathe would be the preferred tool of choice ,yes.crosman barrel can be shooters and be on par with LW but it might take a few cr. barrels and some work to find one that will be the one that is on par .
Quote from: BDS on May 17, 2012, 11:21:23 PM
Post Hijack:
Eric, remember this butt-plate? Anything ever come of this? Looks slick :-*
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