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Crosman air pistol - General => Crosman air pistol - General discussion => Topic started by: Sir William on August 26, 2012, 03:31:15 PM

Title: Trigger
Post by: Sir William on August 26, 2012, 03:31:15 PM
Question:
Anyone else dislike the shape of the 1377 (et al) trigger?

Question:
Any air gun shooters in Colorado Springs?
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Sir William on August 26, 2012, 03:32:05 PM
And, I don't find any hep with a trigger shoe.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Fronzdan on August 26, 2012, 03:50:47 PM
You mean you prefer a straighter style?  Yeah I prefer a trigger with less curve to it.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 1377x on August 26, 2012, 04:07:49 PM
everybody hates the trigger i believe
there is a variety of different triggers on airgunsmith.com
http://www.airgunsmith.com/cros1377/cros1322-77.htm (http://www.airgunsmith.com/cros1377/cros1322-77.htm)

tko might still have triggers
http://www.tko22.com/ (http://www.tko22.com/)
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 0351_Vet on August 26, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Something like this>>?
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Sir William on August 26, 2012, 07:51:23 PM
Well, I like the width.  I don't think I like the radius - would like a larger, flatter radius..  Also, from the wear that I'm seeing on the Crosman trigger, I don't see brass as a good material.
Very nice piece of work though . . .
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: sbcrockett on August 26, 2012, 08:12:27 PM
a slightly more modern-tech design:  http://crosmods.com/triggers.html (http://crosmods.com/triggers.html)  pricey, though.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 0351_Vet on August 26, 2012, 08:43:41 PM
Quote from: Sir William on August 26, 2012, 07:51:23 PM
Well, I like the width.  I don't think I like the radius - would like a larger, flatter radius..  Also, from the wear that I'm seeing on the Crosman trigger, I don't see brass as a good material.
Very nice piece of work though . . .

It's a Old School Stacy:

Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: chongman on August 26, 2012, 09:41:54 PM
I worked (Dremel) a stock Crosman 2240 trigger a little bit, took the mold line off and changed the radius slightly. IMO you can't do a lot more than that without making it to short. A trigger shoe helps with the width but has nearly the same shape. 

The one thing you might want to do is give some thought to your grips. Do the fit your hand?  Meaning do you hold the pistol in a comfortable position for the pad of your finger to lay on the trigger without any tension in your grip? When you squeeze the trigger what's going on in your grip... are you squeezing in at the bottom of your hand?  All this is important to the release of the trigger and sending a pellet down range.

These are all my thoughts. I'm not a pro shooter...  just a retired US Marine.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Davio on August 26, 2012, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: 0351_Vet on August 26, 2012, 08:43:41 PM
It's a Old School Stacy:


No hijack intended, but... I have tried to find Grant Stace's website.  I hear he and his stuff is top shelf. Do you have any contact info for him (besides his address I see all too plainly)?
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: cmj21973 on August 26, 2012, 10:20:04 PM
Are these more to your liking?
http://www.airgunsmith.com/cros1377/cros1322-77.htm (http://www.airgunsmith.com/cros1377/cros1322-77.htm)
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Davio on August 26, 2012, 10:32:02 PM
Quote from: cmj21973 on August 26, 2012, 10:20:04 PM
Are these more to your liking?
http://www.airgunsmith.com/cros1377/cros1322-77.htm (http://www.airgunsmith.com/cros1377/cros1322-77.htm)

I've found myself at that site many times and can't figure out how to order anything from it.  Lots of great information and eye candy, but not buyer friendly IMO.  Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: chongman on August 26, 2012, 10:59:07 PM
Quote from: Davio on August 26, 2012, 10:32:02 PM
I've found myself at that site many times and can't figure out how to order anything from it.  Lots of great information and eye candy, but not buyer friendly IMO.  Am I missing something?

I inquired awhile back about the target trigger for the 1377 1322 and this is what I got (from July 4 2012)...

Hello Michael

Due to the popularity the target trigger is 6 to 8 weeks turn around.
as soon as were able to catch up we will be re-posting the cart button below the item.

John


Still no cart button and I really want one of those triggers!  Send an email, let John know we want some triggers  :-*
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: chongman on August 26, 2012, 11:44:46 PM
May have some news, will report soon...
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: DJammer on August 27, 2012, 12:21:13 AM
You might want to look at this thread.
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,7570.msg81353.html#msg81353 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,7570.msg81353.html#msg81353)
I reshaped the stock brass trigger and soldered on a brass face, like Crosshairs does.
Makes for a more comfortable trigger for me. Done a couple for my kids guns too.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: arkmaker † on August 27, 2012, 12:29:40 AM
That's a nice trigger job there DJ.......Been wanting to straighten out one of these triggers for a long time now. One of these days I'll give it a shot......just add it to the list!
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: chongman on August 27, 2012, 12:43:24 AM
Awesome trigger job DJ  :-*

I tried to score a brass trigger awhile back with no luck.  Called Crosman begging..nada.  It seems they have become "unobtanium".
Now we are left with fewer choices and they cost way more than most want to spend.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: crossliner on August 27, 2012, 01:49:32 AM
Quote from: chongman on August 27, 2012, 12:43:24 AM
Awesome trigger job DJ  :-*

I tried to score a brass trigger awhile back with no luck.  Called Crosman begging..nada.  It seems they have become "unobtanium".
Now we are left with fewer choices and they cost way more than most want to spend.

I am not too sure Mr. Chong. The parts Crosman sent to airgunexporter then from him to me had 2 brass triggers..I thought they were going to send me the alloy ones w/c I prefer. I was surprised because everyone was claiming they were no longer in stock. Best regards.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: crossliner on August 27, 2012, 02:00:15 AM
Crosman brass triggers available from this site for $3.00 so they say. Best regards.

http://www.airgunshop.net/ (http://www.airgunshop.net/)
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 1377x on August 27, 2012, 02:04:48 AM
airgunsmith sells his stuff on ebay also
might get it quicker that way
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: cmj21973 on August 27, 2012, 02:27:46 AM
Ouch! Talk about a hit to the wallet.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-1377-1322-2240-2289-Custom-Brass-Trigger-/180960882369?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a221beec1 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-1377-1322-2240-2289-Custom-Brass-Trigger-/180960882369?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a221beec1)
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 0351_Vet on August 27, 2012, 02:29:09 AM
Quote from: Davio on August 26, 2012, 10:07:36 PM
No hijack intended, but... I have tried to find Grant Stace's website.  I hear he and his stuff is top shelf. Do you have any contact info for him (besides his address I see all too plainly)?

One thing I can tell you is he does make great stuff, but it is really hard to get at. Beside overseas, you have to communicate through his forum, which is tough at times. Good luck is all I can say.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 1377x on August 27, 2012, 02:38:59 AM
Quote from: cmj21973 on August 27, 2012, 02:27:46 AM
Ouch! Talk about a hit to the wallet.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-1377-1322-2240-2289-Custom-Brass-Trigger-/180960882369?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a221beec1 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-1377-1322-2240-2289-Custom-Brass-Trigger-/180960882369?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a221beec1)
thats airgunsmith's stuff
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: breakfastchef on August 27, 2012, 02:42:11 AM
Quote from: Davio on August 26, 2012, 10:07:36 PM
No hijack intended, but... I have tried to find Grant Stace's website.  I hear he and his stuff is top shelf. Do you have any contact info for him (besides his address I see all too plainly)?

Stace is a master, but will not sell to slimey Americans and two-faced Canadians. If you are of Greek heritage, you are really never going to get anything from him. He sells only to established clients and folks in and around his base in NZ. I know, I tried. You can email him if you want, but you have been warned.

Grant Stace [sharon-grant@xtra.co.nz]
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 0351_Vet on August 27, 2012, 03:45:26 AM
Quote from: breakfastchef on August 27, 2012, 02:42:11 AM
Stace is a master, but will not sell to slimey Americans and two-faced Canadians. If you are of Greek heritage, you are really never going to get anything from him. He sells only to established clients and folks in and around his base in NZ. I know, I tried. You can email him if you want, but you have been warned.

Grant Stace [sharon-grant@xtra.co.nz]

I wouldn't argue that for a moment.  :-*
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: BDS on August 27, 2012, 03:50:57 AM
Quote from: breakfastchef on August 27, 2012, 02:42:11 AM
Stace is a master, but will not sell to slimey Americans and two-faced Canadians. If you are of Greek heritage, you are really never going to get anything from him. He sells only to established clients and folks in and around his base in NZ. I know, I tried. You can email him if you want, but you have been warned.

Grant Stace [sharon-grant@xtra.co.nz]

Wow, that could use a few smileys... or were you serious?
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Davio on August 27, 2012, 04:10:34 AM
I took it seriously, but let me know if not.  I kinda got a whiff of that from some other forums reads, but I tend to judge a person by what they do and not so much what they say.  8)
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 1377x on August 27, 2012, 08:35:13 AM
he's serious
stace has been banned from just about all forums for having flame wars.
he will only sell you a part if he deems you fit.in his words dont think you can join his forum and get parts.only those he selects gets them.
there are other members here that have his parts.imo its nots worth the hassle
google his name im guessing a lot of stuff will come up that doesnt make it to the forums
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: markasaurus on August 27, 2012, 09:02:20 AM
Quote from: crossliner on August 27, 2012, 02:00:15 AM
Crosman brass triggers available from this site for $3.00 so they say. Best regards.

http://www.airgunshop.net/ (http://www.airgunshop.net/)

If that's true - i will take two - but I click it and it says "we are changing internet providers", can i type something in the browser bar? 
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: cmj21973 on August 27, 2012, 09:06:45 AM
Quote from: markasaurus on August 27, 2012, 09:02:20 AM
If that's true - i will take two - but I click it and it says "we are changing internet providers", can i type something in the browser bar?

Uh.. click on "Contact Us"
http://www.airgunshop.net/contactus.html (http://www.airgunshop.net/contactus.html)
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Noah on August 27, 2012, 09:25:16 AM
Quote from: crossliner on August 27, 2012, 02:00:15 AM
Crosman brass triggers available from this site for $3.00 so they say. Best regards.

http://www.airgunshop.net/ (http://www.airgunshop.net/)

I had a cool Sheridan .20 pistol serviced by these guys and they were great to deal with. Very cool all around  :-*
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Noah on August 27, 2012, 09:29:51 AM
Quote from: breakfastchef on August 27, 2012, 02:42:11 AM
Stace is a master, but will not sell to slimey Americans and two-faced Canadians. If you are of Greek heritage, you are really never going to get anything from him. He sells only to established clients and folks in and around his base in NZ. I know, I tried. You can email him if you want, but you have been warned.

Grant Stace [sharon-grant@xtra.co.nz]

Grant and I got along great and my trigger arrived in several days. A great piece of art I have to admit (very heavy and well polished). I am a total nobody but was simply polite, to the point and didn't ask too many questions. Perhaps mention All Black (team name) rugby great Jonah Lomu and everything will be okay  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Davio on August 27, 2012, 09:57:09 AM
Quote from: Noah on August 27, 2012, 09:29:51 AM
Grant and I got along great and my trigger arrived in several days. A great piece of art I have to admit (very heavy and well polished). I am a total nobody but was simply polite, to the point and didn't ask too many questions. Perhaps mention All Black (team name) rugby great Jonah Lomu and everything will be okay  ??? ??? ???
I know about that... and... but... they are NOT all black!!!  Bunch of Posers???  Wassupwitdat?  ;D
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 1377x on August 27, 2012, 10:16:30 AM
the only thing i can say about grants stuff is its nice.due to his limitation on sales you wont see his parts on every gun out there like the dc stuff,making it a collectors custom part.

Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Noah on August 27, 2012, 10:32:13 AM
Quote from: Davio on August 27, 2012, 09:57:09 AM
I know about that... and... but... they are NOT all black!!!  Bunch of Posers???  Wassupwitdat?  ;D

So true: I have no idea where they got the name from.  ???
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: BDS on August 27, 2012, 06:18:29 PM
OK, but... the post about "slimey americans" and "two-faced canadians" was ill conceived and poorly explained, it could easily have been read as the poster making those comments due to a lack of quotes or even (god forbid) smileys.

Not everyone here has the Grant Stace legacy imprinted in their brains, nor do they need to have it imprinted.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: Davio on August 27, 2012, 07:17:14 PM
Quote from: BDS on August 27, 2012, 06:18:29 PM
OK, but... the post about "slimey americans" and "two-faced canadians" was ill conceived and poorly explained, it could easily have been read as the poster making those comments due to a lack of quotes or even (god forbid) smileys.

Not everyone here has the Grant Stace legacy imprinted in their brains, nor do they need to have it imprinted.
Agreed.  I just have admired some of his parts. At the end of the day, we are only talking about a man that makes nice pellet gun parts. If it happened to be true that his head won't fit through a handicap door... or he won't sell unless you kiss his ring, then he (or anyone like that) can keep their shiny preciousness to themselves.   ;)
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: breakfastchef on August 27, 2012, 08:45:01 PM
You going to let it go now?

Quote from: BDS on August 27, 2012, 06:18:29 PM
OK, but... the post about "slimey americans" and "two-faced canadians" was ill conceived and poorly explained, it could easily have been read as the poster making those comments due to a lack of quotes or even (god forbid) smileys.

Not everyone here has the Grant Stace legacy imprinted in their brains, nor do they need to have it imprinted.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: chongman on August 27, 2012, 10:09:58 PM
Ya, let it go please. I've read enough to get the point.
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: crossliner on September 09, 2012, 07:11:27 PM
On my Crosman's (this is my son's) I glued  rubber seals of some sort taken from a disposable lighters on the trigger tongues..It is a very simple addition but it eliminates that "nodding" kind of slack on the trigger when the gun is cocked. The rubber damper puts the trigger on a tensioned mode hence it becomes a true single stage..There is no up and down play whatsoever. If the rubber is too thick though it will prevent your gun from being cocked so you may need to sand the thickness off a bit.

Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 1377x on September 09, 2012, 08:17:02 PM
can you post a pic with out the finger on the trigger?
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 0351_Vet on September 09, 2012, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: 1377x on September 09, 2012, 08:17:02 PM
can you post a pic with out the finger on the trigger?

;D   ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: crossliner on September 10, 2012, 01:00:25 AM
Quote from: 1377x on September 09, 2012, 08:17:02 PM
can you post a pic with out the finger on the trigger?

Ooops my apologies! Will take another pic..
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 1377x on September 10, 2012, 01:57:18 AM
Quote from: crossliner on September 10, 2012, 01:00:25 AM
Ooops my apologies! Will take another pic..
no appology needed just couldnt see what you were talking about
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: crossliner on September 10, 2012, 12:49:02 PM
Here it is Mr. 13

(http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww96/DARKHORSE1967/100_4319.jpg)

(http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww96/DARKHORSE1967/100_4320.jpg)
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 1377x on September 10, 2012, 08:13:36 PM
theres rubber seals on that trigger?
good job they blend right in!
like the little screw you added to the top of the trigger! thats to shorten the pull,right?
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: JEBert on September 11, 2012, 07:03:50 AM
Ed, I think the seals he is talking about is the little rubber bumper on the top of the trigger to take the slack out of it.   I may try that.
Cheers,
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 1377x on September 11, 2012, 07:32:17 AM
Quote from: JEBert on September 11, 2012, 07:03:50 AM
Ed, I think the seals he is talking about is the little rubber bumper on the top of the trigger to take the slack out of it.   I may try that.
Cheers,
(http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0161.gif)i thought that was a screw :-[
i may have to give that a try ,also
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: crossliner on September 11, 2012, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: JEBert on September 11, 2012, 07:03:50 AM
Ed, I think the seals he is talking about is the little rubber bumper on the top of the trigger to take the slack out of it.   I may try that.
Cheers,

Mr. Jebert is right. It should be rubber and not plastic or any hard material..Be careful though because the trigger becomes a single stage w/ no play whatsoever..Too thick a rubber disables cocking so you may need to do a bit of sanding...
Title: Re: Trigger
Post by: 1377x on September 11, 2012, 03:22:09 PM
thats pretty much how i have my 1701p trigger group set up.
thanks for the tip to thick part and the other things o-rings are good for