Hi; mudduck48 here. Could someone please tell me how to remove the C clip on the front pivot pin on the older 1377? I need to get inside and rebuild this and I just can't see how to remove the C clip without scratching the pump tube. Remove the clip, knock out the pin and I'm in. HELP! Thank you for your time.
Tiny screwdriver? Is it clipped on both sides?
Flat screwdriver blade wide enough to make contact with the two ends of the clip. Gently push the clip off.
you can try a small flat head screwdriver
push the open end of the clip with your thumb put a corner of the small screwdriver between the groove and the clip and gently pry away from the groove
Hi; mudduck48 here. I got it off, yea!!!!! With what 1377x said and the pm I received from Crosshairs, I got the clip off. Here is what I did so other newbies like me can do it also. First, of course, make sure the gun is unloaded and no pressure on it. then put electrical tape right up to the pin under the clip on the bottom and one side of the pin. Then I rotated the clip split towards the bottom of the tube. Then take a small screwdriver and pry one side of the clip up. Then grab it with small needle nose pliers and roll it off. YEA!!! I want to thank everyone that helped me with this. I have been wanting to fix this gun for years. I bought it new in 4-1980 at monkey wards.
Holy-smokes Montgomery Ward!? That's a blast from the past :D
Where at?
Wards were on a roll to beat Sears at their own game up until the early 80's then, bye-bye and gone by 1990-ish?
Hi BDS; mudduck48 here. Where at? Ventura, Ca. USA. I used the heck out of this gun. Smoothed up the trigger and put the 1399 stock on had a lot of fun with it. Now you pump it about 4 times and hear the air coming out the barrel. I'm going to fix it, then I will have my 1377 and my new 1322 to use.
Quote from: mudduck48 on September 12, 2012, 06:47:28 PM
Hi BDS; mudduck48 here. Where at? Ventura, Ca. USA. I used the heck out of this gun. Smoothed up the trigger and put the 1399 stock on had a lot of fun with it. Now you pump it about 4 times and hear the air coming out the barrel. I'm going to fix it, then I will have my 1377 and my new 1322 to use.
OK, lived in Santa Barbara for a few years back then, your Monky Wards must have been out on Mills Rd. ?
Yes it was. Mills and Main st. But, they tore it down and put a Lowe's in its place. And on the front of the lot there is a bank, subway, chapoti grill, starbucks and I think a verizon. And on the north end of Lowe's they are now building a credit union.
Quote from: mudduck48 on September 12, 2012, 07:50:19 PM
Yes it was. Mills and Main st. But, they tore it down and put a Lowe's in its place. And on the front of the lot there is a bank, subway, chapoti grill, starbucks and I think a verizon. And on the north end of Lowe's they are now building a credit union.
i hadnt been to my home town in 16 years.went back there and a lot changed almost didnt recognize the place.its funny how far behind the times they are still. a big hill i used to slide down as a kid was leveled and a lowes went up in its place.before i left the only home improvement store around was a family owned lumber yard.now another decade later they are where the city was 20 years ago :o
That's a blast from the past used to have 3 around me.
well, I got the barrel off and the upper receiver off, then it became happy hour. now i need a new barrel and some more beer. working on it. Thank you all for your help on this project. mudduck48
good luck with completing your project
you say you need a new barrel.im assuming this gun has the rear cocking knob,right?
if so you will need the phase 3 plastic breech/bolt and barrel or source a new old stock phase 2 barrel.i believe i can still get the nos phase 2 barrel
Beer did I hear someone say beer :D :D ;D ;D
yes, 1377x I have a phaz 2 gun. The rear cocking one. My barrel is shot out. The rifling is all but gone and it is pitted. If you know where I can get a new or use barrel, I would appreciate it. Thank you for your time.
yes, targettgii I said beer. I'm working on a 12pk of Sam Adams Harvest Collection that my brother in law brought over for my B-day.
everyone says their barrel is shot out.some of the barrels from the phase 2 guns came with shallow rifling
but i know what you mean.the nos barrel i had did have deep rifling.
i'll give him a shout tommorrow if he says he can fing it i'll pass along his info.otherwise i'm going down to the shop on saturday to pick up my 12" .177 barrel thats going on my phase 2 1377
Hi 1377x; mudduck48 here. This barrel is "shot out". The riffling is all but gone and it has deep pits all the way down. I would not even try to sell this on ebay. You could use it for bb's, but I don't think you would get too much out of it with pellets. I just need a stock barrel. I tried to get on Crosman's web site looking for parts and can not find where the parts are. Is the stock barrel for the phaze 3 the same for the other older 1377's? Thank you for your time and help.
Quote from: mudduck48 on September 13, 2012, 05:39:42 AM
Hi 1377x; mudduck48 here. This barrel is "shot out". The riffling is all but gone and it has deep pits all the way down. I would not even try to sell this on ebay. You could use it for bb's, but I don't think you would get too much out of it with pellets. I just need a stock barrel. I tried to get on Crosman's web site looking for parts and can not find where the parts are. Is the stock barrel for the phaze 3 the same for the other older 1377's? Thank you for your time and help.
Post a pic of the breech and barrel so we know what you got to work with.
Heck, post pics of the entire 1377.
From 1977 to 1980 they had a steel breech & barrel ass'y.
Quote from: mudduck48 on September 13, 2012, 05:39:42 AM
Hi 1377x; mudduck48 here. This barrel is "shot out". The riffling is all but gone and it has deep pits all the way down. I would not even try to sell this on ebay. You could use it for bb's, but I don't think you would get too much out of it with pellets. I just need a stock barrel. I tried to get on Crosman's web site looking for parts and can not find where the parts are. Is the stock barrel for the phaze 3 the same for the other older 1377's? Thank you for your time and help.
didnt know about the pits
a lot of the phase 2 barrels did come with shallow rifling almost none existent,from talking to people rifling doesnt need to be deep to make an accurate barrel.fx barrels are smooth bore until the last 1.5"-2" and they are among the most accurate barrel you can get also the most expensive
i know i can get the phase2 barrel ,i saw them.if you want to switch to a phase 3 set up thats possible too
if you have a credit card you can get it yourself, let me call my local he'll will let me know if he still has them,im sure he does
ill let you know what he says then pass his info on to you
Quote from: mudduck48 on September 13, 2012, 04:59:58 AM
yes, 1377x I have a phaz 2 gun. The rear cocking one. My barrel is shot out. The rifling is all but gone and it is pitted. If you know where I can get a new or use barrel, I would appreciate it. Thank you for your time.
checked on the barrel for you today.i have some bad news,he used up the last of his old barrels.
you have a few other options now.
1) go with a steel breech,current style barrel/bolt.the gun will still use the rear cocking knob
2) get a current style plastil breech and barrel/bolt.rear cocking knob will still be used
3) get any aftermarket breech any current barrel and bolt.still use the rear cocking knob
any way you go you need the current style breeches,barrels and bolts.all a direct fit no mods needed and the rear cocking knob will still be used
the rear sight will fit the current plastic breech
hth
ED
Hi Ed; mudduck48 here. Thank you for trying to find a barrel for me. I guess what you are saying that the new barrel will not replace the old barrel. You know, someone out there has modified the older gun and changed it to a 22 or a longer barrel. There is one out there somewhere. I just need to keep looking. Again, thank you for your time and effort.
Quote from: mudduck48 on September 13, 2012, 08:17:19 PM
Hi Ed; mudduck48 here. Thank you for trying to find a barrel for me. I guess what you are saying that the new barrel will not replace the old barrel. You know, someone out there has modified the older gun and changed it to a 22 or a longer barrel. There is one out there somewhere. I just need to keep looking. Again, thank you for your time and effort.
yes,i do know someone who has changed the old 1377's over to current parts,
ME :)
heres some pics of the guns i converted
this is my phase 2 1377 with steel breech and bolt
(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/edf73/PC020108.jpg)
same phase 2 now polished with steel breech/.22 bolt and current barrel .22 14.5" 2250 barrel
(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/edf73/P3270399.jpg)
heres my phase2 with the phase 1 1377
(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/edf73/P2120260.jpg)
heres the phase 1 1377 with current plastic breech/bolt and current barrel
(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/edf73/P2210281.jpg)
heres the differences in the phase2 breech/bolt and the current steel breech/bolt.notice the size of the phase 2 bolt compared to the .22 bolt of the current steel breech
(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/edf73/PC030114-1.jpg)
the current production parts for the 1377/1322 guns are a direct fit to the old phase 1 and phase 2 1377's.no modification necessary
hth,
ED
Ive also got a 1377 with cocking knob. Went with the croked barn aluminum breech and bolt with 14 in mellon air barel. Set up works good. Small groups no leaks. Also have flat top piston and valve from mellon air and the aluminijm front barrel band with fiber optic sight. I almost changed out the knob and internal parts to make it bolt action but kinda like the fact that i can have it loaded and pumped but still have to pull that cocking knob. Kinda like an old single action pistol.
Wow, that looks nice. I thought that I had fixed this thing. I took the barrel off and the piston out and sprayed PB Blaster inside. Let it soak over night, drained out the PB blaster put seal glide on the piston cup, stuck it back in put the pin in and pumped it up. It worked. Spent over an hour putting it back together and buried a bb into 3/4" pine and 25ft. put a pellet in it, same thing. Tried to pump it up again. Put another pellet in and poop, nothing. RATS! Now I have to take it completely apart to change the o-rings in the valve. I'm trying to make do with what I have.
the conversion over to current production parts,barrel,plastic breech and bolt,seal kit should run under $20 shipped from crosman no more than $25 shipped at most
some of us might be able to help out for cheaper
Well thanks Ed. Well, I did it, I took this thing completely apart. I even took the valve apart. It has the 2 piece check valve in it. I do have another question. On the pin that the hammer hits, where the steel part goes into the brass part, there is some green stuff. Was that some kind of seal at one time? The inside of the valve is tapered, it looks like maby it is supposed to be a metal to metal seal. I'm going to clean everything up with contact cleaner, emery out the tube, change the o-rings, and try to get it back together. Like my daddy used to say "any dern fool can take it apart, it takes a mechanic to put it back together"
there is some kind of seal inside the brass valve stem
there is a pictorial here showing how to put an o-ring in it and it works
unless there is rust inside the tube i would just clean it.
take care not to enlarge or shine the piston side of the tube.to big or to slick the piston might not seal
well, I figured that. Crosshairs on his youtube vid said to emery the tube to get the burrs off. And I got to thinking that you only need to check the front part not the part where the piston rides. Thanks for the heads up. I tried to post a picture of the valve stem, but, it would not let me attach the photo. Tomorrow I'm going to clean out the valve and put a new o-ring in it, put it in my vice and pump it up with the air compressor. Maybe about 20lbs to start off with, if it holds I'll push the pin and see if it farts. If it does, I'll put 40lbs in it. If it holds I'll start to put this thing back together.
Hi 1377x. mudduck48 here. Well, here we go again. I'm in the process of putting it back together. I did like you said and put an o-ring on that valve stem, put it together and put 120lbs air into it and it seams to hold. I just broke for lunch. Now back to it.
Hi folks; mudduck48 here. I got it together and it works. I want to thank every one that has helped me on this project. I learned a lot about the inner workings of the older style 1377. Now, I'm ready to start throwing some money at it to make it work better. I would like to find the flat top piston and valve, a new seal for the transfer port and maybe a better barrel. Thanks again for all of your help
Mellonair.com has all that! And its pretty inexpensive. Only thing he dosnt have is steel breech but that can be had from crossmanfor $30ish or croked barn has aluminium ones for $65. I have one of each and like them both. Mellons barrels are awesome. The crowns are very nice and he can cut to what ever length you need.
Thank you for the info. I will go there and see what I can find. I want to build this to be a hard hitter. And when someone looks at it, it still looks like a 32 year old gun. Thanks again.
mellonair is so backlogged it takes up to 2 months or more to get your parts.
since you have a brass valve in the gun its only fitting to get a brass piston.
you can get a brass piston from airgunsmith.com and he can modify your brass valve to work with the brass piston for free
hes not over worked with a 2 month backlog either
http://www.airgunsmith.com/cros1377/cros1322-77.htm (http://www.airgunsmith.com/cros1377/cros1322-77.htm)
as far as the breech well there is a few different choices
Hi 1377x; mudduck48 here. Thank you for the info. I really would like to get some up grade parts for this gun and make it shoot really well. I also would like to find a better forearm for my new 1322. Thanks again
Quote from: mudduck48 on September 15, 2012, 04:36:11 AM
Hi 1377x; mudduck48 here. Thank you for the info. I really would like to get some up grade parts for this gun and make it shoot really well. I also would like to find a better forearm for my new 1322. Thanks again
nobody beats rbgrips prices and he has some nice wood furniture a lot of people around he have his grips.i know i want a set of laminated stuff from him
http://rbgrips.net/CROSMAN1377.html (http://rbgrips.net/CROSMAN1377.html)
WOW!! Just looked at his web site. Nice stuff. Thanks for the link.
no problem
hopefully.i know a laminated set will find its way to my phase 2 1377 in the near future