I just finished putting a Center Point 3x9x40 scope on my Edge. Wow! Focus below 10m and very very clear. I have a new respect for the Center Point line up. Even at 9x the clarity is great.
So, what others in this under 100 dollar range should we look at or not look at??
Rich
EDITED: corrected the size to 3x9x40
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Despite the thicker reticle lines, I still like Leapers/UTG. My 3-9 is going strong after two years on a 1377 carbine and remains very accurate. I trust the mil-dots.
I have a Barska 2-7 on my Beeman R7 that was very reasonable. It is a good scope for the money. Has held up to a low powered springer, so far, and is also accurate enough for me and this rifle.
I just tried to take a picture of the reticle, but no go. It is one of the best I have had. Very thin crosshairs and what I think they call a half-mildot. Super sharp outline. I don;t have that much experience with scopes, but I'm liking it.
I have a Barska 2x7 rimfire scope and love that one. It is a little touchy on eye placement, but once you lock it in it stays steady. My other older scope is a Tasco 4x32 that came with the Marlin 39AS. That is a nice little scope for 25 plus out to 100 yards.
how about a side focus for just ynder $100 it is a utg swat scope i think the ao is 10yds and up to
its a 30.. tube and 44mm objective
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http://www.amazon.com/UTG-3-12X44-Mil-dot-Colors-EZ-TAP/dp/B004CVER4I/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1352607856&sr=8-13&keywords=utg+scope (http://www.amazon.com/UTG-3-12X44-Mil-dot-Colors-EZ-TAP/dp/B004CVER4I/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1352607856&sr=8-13&keywords=utg+scope)
That one looks great! For a total of $122.70 you can get the scope, rings and side focus wheel! I book marked it.
I want to look up the reticle and see what it looks like first I'm tell ya, this CP has the finest lines I have had so far. If I get another, it has to compare to it.
Looks like it comes with this one;
from what people who own the swat scops say the reticle is the thinnest of the leaper/utg scopes
i looked through one at the shop last summer it had thin reticles.
its crazy how they have color changing reticles does anyone really use that feature?
Quote from: 1377x on November 11, 2012, 03:59:44 PM
from what people who own the swat scops say the reticle is the thinnest of the leaper/utg scopes
i looked through one at the shop last summer it had thin reticles.
its crazy how they have color changing reticles does anyone really use that feature?
A great many have the 3 color thing going with black, red, and green as it is. I can see how having colors would be good depending on the background colors of a shot. Of course I can't imagine what you'd need a purple crosshair for...unless it's for shooting pink ponys :-*
I looked at the 3-12x44 a couple of days ago for my incoming 2400KT , but I compared it to the 3-9x32 and I chose the later ... the 3-12x44 is heavy(22 oz) compared to the Bug Buster (13.8 oz) . Also longer , even longer that the Bug buster with the extension installed . Looking at things , Overall , I find that the only two advantages of the 3-12x44 over the Bug Buster are : 1) the increase on magnification (that on a real firearm is useable) , and 2) the side focus .
Both advantages in my humble opinion are miningless on airguns , particularly on pistols . The very limited range of an airgun will make 9x a tremendous increase on magnification . Also, The eye relief is shorter than the Bug Buster`s and that can be very uncomfortable . The side parallax , even thou handy at the side of the scope , it start from 10 yards on , compared to the Bug Buster from 3 yards and that can be useful on an airgun .
Just keep those observations in mind when choosing a scope for your airgun .
another advantage is the bug buster has a fat reticle ,the swat scope does not. the main reason i stay away from bug busters is that reason, i just mentioned.unless the eye relief has changed for the bug buster it used to be 3" or less
if you watched the video i posted in my oogie boogie thread the scope used is an ar22 centerpoint it too has the fat reticle
my no name 4x32ao scope has a nice skinny reticle but no mil-dots.its fun using the mil-dots to measure distance .its amazing how acurate it is
im going to make another video with the no name mounted with the camera for comparison
I have the leaper's 4-16x50 on my 2289g carbine, after mounting the crosman steel breech to a tighter fit I have been very happy with this scope! I retail's in canada for around 130.00 buck's, but for the magnification it give's (and clarity) well worth it! The colour changing retical's are kinda cool but never use the option. It's a heavy scope, 2.5lbs with 3" sunshade add on and tac rails, but allway's found the gun to light anyway's. The whole set-up is just under 19" inches, so it's about half the lenght of my pistol (with 24" barrel) so it look's way "overboard" But that's the idea right? :-*
Quote from: 1377x on November 11, 2012, 07:56:08 PM
another advantage is the bug buster has a fat reticle ,the swat scope does not. the main reason i stay away from bug busters is that reason, i just mentioned.unless the eye relief has changed for the bug buster it used to be 3" or less
if you watched the video i posted in my oogie boogie thread the scope used is an ar22 centerpoint it too has the fat reticle
my no name 4x32ao scope has a nice skinny reticle but no mil-dots.its fun using the mil-dots to measure distance .its amazing how acurate it is
im going to make another video with the no name mounted with the camera for comparison
I checked the eye relief on the Bug Buster 3-9x32 and it is 4.2" to 3" while the 3-12x44 is a 3.4" to 3 "so it is almost a whole inch shorter to play with
Quote from: josey88 on November 11, 2012, 08:28:04 PM
I checked the eye relief on the Bug Buster 3-9x32 and it is 4.2" to 3" while the 3-12x44 is a 3.4" to 3 "so it is almost a whole inch shorter to play with
thats what the specs say might want to check reviews
the main complaint from the owners of the bug buster here on the forum is the short eye relief followed by the fat reticle
center point power class scopes are very nice
i want to try a hawke scope just have to get rid some of the scopes i have now before i do
http://www.amazon.com/Hawke-3-9x50mm-Reticle-Adjustable-Objective/dp/B0059HC6KG/ref=sr_1_80?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1352661212&sr=1-80&keywords=ao+rifle+scope (http://www.amazon.com/Hawke-3-9x50mm-Reticle-Adjustable-Objective/dp/B0059HC6KG/ref=sr_1_80?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1352661212&sr=1-80&keywords=ao+rifle+scope)
http://www.hawkeoptics.com/hawke-sport-hd-riflescopes.html (http://www.hawkeoptics.com/hawke-sport-hd-riflescopes.html)
Quote from: 1377x on November 11, 2012, 08:31:49 PM
thats what the specs say might want to check reviews
the main complaint from the owners of the bug buster here on the forum is the short eye relief followed by the fat reticle
center point power class scopes are very nice
i want to try a hawke scope just have to get rid some of the scopes i have now before i do
http://www.amazon.com/Hawke-3-9x50mm-Reticle-Adjustable-Objective/dp/B0059HC6KG/ref=sr_1_80?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1352661212&sr=1-80&keywords=ao+rifle+scope (http://www.amazon.com/Hawke-3-9x50mm-Reticle-Adjustable-Objective/dp/B0059HC6KG/ref=sr_1_80?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1352661212&sr=1-80&keywords=ao+rifle+scope)
http://www.hawkeoptics.com/hawke-sport-hd-riflescopes.html (http://www.hawkeoptics.com/hawke-sport-hd-riflescopes.html)
Well, Ed, you convinced me ... I started reading reviews on the Bug Buster from this year (so these are not old reviews) and most of them are very scary . Reticles offset , tilting to one side or the other , ilumination doesn`t work , and on and on . If on top of all the reticle is very thick , it is certainly no good . To the contrary , the Leapers Swat 3-12x44 is ok and most of the reviews are very positive ... and you said it has a fine reticle , so ... I will be ordering this one . It is on Amazon now at $99.95 . I am also getting the Accushot 30mm rings , and now that I am into it , the side wheel also .
I'd say go with the side wheel. If your going to have the adjustment then you should due to the fact the knob is very resistive to being changed, it's very viscous. They turn smoothly enough but it does take some effort and the wheel makes it much easier to hit the right setting and way easier to fine adjust.
Yes, I arrived to the same conclusion too , so I am getting it , thanks.
update : Swat 3-12x44 scope ordered along with 30mm Accushot rings and side parallax Wheel . I still think that 12x is overkill on an airgun but if the quality is good , it is worth it and besides , I can always put it on top of my AK-47 with a side mount that I already have , so it will get to be used .
My thanks to Ed for a good advice , as always .
Quote from: josey88 on November 11, 2012, 11:40:12 PM
Well, Ed, you convinced me ... I started reading reviews on the Bug Buster from this year (so these are not old reviews) and most of them are very scary . Reticles offset , tilting to one side or the other , ilumination doesn`t work , and on and on . If on top of all the reticle is very thick , it is certainly no good . To the contrary , the Leapers Swat 3-12x44 is ok and most of the reviews are very positive ... and you said it has a fine reticle , so ... I will be ordering this one . It is on Amazon now at $99.95 . I am also getting the Accushot 30mm rings , and now that I am into it , the side wheel also .
i wasnt trying to convince you to buy the swat scope someone asked about a scope under $100 thats the scope that popped up.i have read other peoples reviews of the swat scopes and they said they have thin reticles and over all decant for the price with the exception of a few that had lighted reticle issues well just leave it off or return it i say.i dont use the lighted reticle on my ar22 cp scope which i dont like because if the fat reticle now that im changing barrels on my OB gun its getting the no name ao scope because it has a thin reticle hate it doesnt have mil-dots but for my shooting ranges it will do.i want to try the hawke hd scope,its oa and mil-dot have yet to see a bad review and i have been looking at them the last year. its lighter than the swat which is heavy because of the battery, lighted reticle and color changer
bsa have had many bad reviews in the years past but an avid air gun hunter i read escapades from uses a bsa and couldnt be happier i'll find which bsa it is he uses,i asked him before so i have to go through my old posts.if you saw his hunts i mean near perfect if not perfect placement everytime 10-40 yards iirc maybe more
lots of people are happy with the bug buster, personally i dont like fat reticles.
heres another scope to consider if side focus is a plus
http://www.natchezss.com/Optics.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=OS&prodID=OSCOMD41640&prodTitle=BSA (http://www.natchezss.com/Optics.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=OS&prodID=OSCOMD41640&prodTitle=BSA) Contender 4-16x40 Riflescope Side Parallax Contender Ballistic Reticle
Quote from: josey88 on November 12, 2012, 05:30:10 AM
update : Swat 3-12x44 scope ordered along with 30mm Accushot rings and side parallax Wheel . I still think that 12x is overkill on an airgun but if the quality is good , it is worth it and besides , I can always put it on top of my AK-47 with a side mount that I already have , so it will get to be used .
My thanks to Ed for a good advice , as always .
did you order this style ring or do you have a weaver,picatinny scope rail?
http://www.amazon.com/AccuShot-Premium-Height-Airgun-Rings/dp/B001WJ4W2U/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1331674941&sr=1-5 (http://www.amazon.com/AccuShot-Premium-Height-Airgun-Rings/dp/B001WJ4W2U/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1331674941&sr=1-5)
Quote from: 1377x on November 12, 2012, 07:52:29 AM
did you order this style ring or do you have a weaver,picatinny scope rail?
http://www.amazon.com/AccuShot-Premium-Height-Airgun-Rings/dp/B001WJ4W2U/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1331674941&sr=1-5 (http://www.amazon.com/AccuShot-Premium-Height-Airgun-Rings/dp/B001WJ4W2U/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1331674941&sr=1-5)
I ordered those . As a matter of fact , I ordered the medium and the high set , because I am not sure which one will fit better . They cost only 8 or 9 dollars , so is not a big deal and I want to have the scope as close as I can to the barrel .
About the Swat scope , I am happy with the buy . Since the Bug Buster has a thicker reticle , good accuracy specially on pellet guns , will be very difficult . As I said , the reviews are horrible , with a couple of exceptions... that is not good for me .
You gave me a good advice in suggesting to look it up ... I did and for $20.00 more I get a 30mm tube and 3x more ... I just think that it is a bit of overkill , but, it always better to have more than less anyway .
her is a good scope at a decent price on the yellow.under $100 but it is used but not much
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/message/1352734917/a+pistol%2C+scopes+and+other+various+items+for+sale (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/message/1352734917/a+pistol%2C+scopes+and+other+various+items+for+sale)
Quote from: josey88 on November 12, 2012, 04:47:05 PM
I ordered those . As a matter of fact , I ordered the medium and the high set , because I am not sure which one will fit better . They cost only 8 or 9 dollars , so is not a big deal and I want to have the scope as close as I can to the barrel .
About the Swat scope , I am happy with the buy . Since the Bug Buster has a thicker reticle , good accuracy specially on pellet guns , will be very difficult . As I said , the reviews are horrible , with a couple of exceptions... that is not good for me .
You gave me a good advice in suggesting to look it up ... I did and for $20.00 more I get a 30mm tube and 3x more ... I just think that it is a bit of overkill , but, it always better to have more than less anyway .
i dont know about scopes.i have been told before the 30mm scopes are better ??? cant remember the reason given.etched glass reticles are better because the reticle thats not etched glass is suspended wires
if you mod your 2400 up to 12ft/lbs then you will like the higher magnification when shooting at 30-35 yards watching the pellet impact on the target.cant do that with low power scopes
Quote from: 1377x on November 12, 2012, 09:45:24 PM
her is a good scope at a decent price on the yellow.under $100 but it is used but not much
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/message/1352734917/a+pistol%2C+scopes+and+other+various+items+for+sale (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/message/1352734917/a+pistol%2C+scopes+and+other+various+items+for+sale)
i dont know about scopes.i have been told before the 30mm scopes are better ??? cant remember the reason given.etched glass reticles are better because the reticle thats not etched glass is suspended wires
if you mod your 2400 up to 12ft/lbs then you will like the higher magnification when shooting at 30-35 yards watching the pellet impact on the target.cant do that with low power scopes
The 30mm scopes are better due to the larger optics. So the ones with a 35mm tube are even better. The deal is the more area the more detail will be transmitted to your eye. It's like looking at the moon through a 3" telescope or a 6" telescope. The image through the objective is the same size but the detail of the larger scope is much greater. And with as old as my eyes are getting I need all the detail I can get :P
Quote from: DaveC on November 12, 2012, 10:18:42 PM
The 30mm scopes are better due to the larger optics. So the ones with a 35mm tube are even better. The deal is the more area the more detail will be transmitted to your eye. It's like looking at the moon through a 3" telescope or a 6" telescope. The image through the objective is the same size but the detail of the larger scope is much greater. And with as old as my eyes are getting I need all the detail I can get :P
That is one of the reasons ... the other is adjusting . That`s why the Tactical scopes are all 30mm and up, 34mm, 35mm ...You can adjust more because there is room for more clicks ... the mechanism can advance further up and down and left/ right. Also the 30mm tube is stronger than the 1 inch . No doubt about it : the 30mm scopes are in a better category than the 1 inch scopes , usually .
About the etched glass... Ed is correct , the etched glass is better , no question about it .
The Swat scope also comes in a model with the etched glass , but it cost $50.00 more and frankly for what I will mainly use the scope with my 2400KT, the regular model is more than enough .
See, I have a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP scope on my 10FCP-5R HS-precision .308 tactical rifle . Beautiful scope ... expensive too , and to better that you would have to jump into the four or five thousand of dollars category and the gain will be minimum ... into the rarified high end category of U.S Optics , Premier`s , etc . from $3000.00 and up to start . Then there is the rings ... it never ends . I use it little but it is an amazing optic with a first focus plane reticle (it means that the reticle enlarges and diminishes along with the power, so , no specific power setting for the mildot) ... On my other rifles I use Mueller scopes , which I like a lot . I have a Nikon Monarch SF on my AR (fantastic scope , even thou it is a 1 inch scope tube...thin reticle, very accurate scope) and a Leatherwood CMR CQB 1-4X24 on the Saiga .223 AK ... also a russian PK23 military red dot on my VZ-58
I hear you about those prices. I looked on eBay for 35mm rings. There was a set for $270 or so...free shipping.
Quote from: DaveC on November 13, 2012, 12:25:38 AM
I hear you about those prices. I looked on eBay for 35mm rings. There was a set for $270 or so...free shipping.
Yeap ... lol
Quote from: DaveC on November 13, 2012, 12:25:38 AM
I hear you about those prices. I looked on eBay for 35mm rings. There was a set for $270 or so...free shipping.
At least they threw in shipping. :P
the natchezss link i posted the bsa scope has the focal plane reticle iirc
i can see spending the money on a scope for the .308 you shoot thit at greater distances
i was going to put a meuller avp on my 10/22 but i am torn between that and a hawke scope
I like the Mueller scopes a lot . Take a look at the one I have , the 4.5-14X40 30mm APT tactical . It has an adjustable objective very ,very sharp . I have two of those and I like them . You can get them anywhere for around $170.00 and it has a thin reticle ,too.
Here they are ... one on my Mosin and the other on my M28/76
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/josey88/002-76.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/josey88/006-60.jpg)
this is the one i was looking at
http://www.amazon.com/Mueller-APV-4-5-14x40-AOScope/dp/B000SULCTA (http://www.amazon.com/Mueller-APV-4-5-14x40-AOScope/dp/B000SULCTA)
That scope is not a tactical scope... it means that the reticle doesn`t have the mildots and the turrets are not open , and it is a 1 inch tube . You can get also the Target scope which is 8-32x44 with side focus , 30mm and the thinniest reticle that you have ever seen , since it is a target scope . I also have one of those ... long scope , almost 20 inches long with the sunshade . Very precise scope , ideal for target and very powerful ,too. That one would run you around $250.00
I have those on my two rifles that are 7.62x54r so these are not .22cal and never had a single problem with them . As far as I know from references on people from other forums , Mueller have a pretty good customer service . They care of their reputation .
$250 is more than i paid for the gun :o all metal not a mark on it
working on getting a factory laminated stock for it
its a 1984 ruger 10/22 18.5" carbine never fired.thats what the guy i bought it from him said and to look at it i believed him.not one mark on it and the hammer and sear had no wear on them even after one magazine through you will see some wear none on this gun
i guess it deserves a good scope i only tested it out to 25 yards ten round groups .27 - .43 with varying ammo
surprisingly the stingers provided the .27 ten round group and the cci standard velocity provided the ten round .43 group.this is with no trigger work and it is stiff.i reworked the trigger a little since its last outing but have to take it and see what difference it has made.the last 10/22 i had ,i did a trigger job and it came out smooth as silk.the owner of a local gun shop liked it a lot.his jaw dropped when i told him i did the work
a 1984 bushnell 3-9x32 scope was used 6 power sighted in at 6 power
Ed, the biggest enemy of a scope is the recoil . On heavy caliber rifles , with the expensive stuff there is no problem at all , but you pay to the nose for it ... with a decent , medium value scope you measure "good" by the ability for the scope to absorb recoil time and time again . The Mueller scopes , at least the APTs Tactical , are good and cheap . I have been shooting with them on my two monsters for more than a year and nothing ... zeroed and perfect .
Now, on a .22 cal rifle you don`t have that problem because there is no recoil , so you can get away with a cheapy scope that you like best , like the Leaper Tactical that I bought earlier for the 2400KT or some Centerpoint , Barska , etc etc . it just comes down to taste .
i hear you!
arkmaker,
you still have the centerpoint attached to the edge?
how's shooting?