I started examining in detail the P-rod frame/asembly that will go into my 2400KT when it arrives in a week or so and everything is fine , except for the very rough part of the frame at front of the grips ... this is I think a residue from the cast .
I am begining to think that I will have to disassemble the whole thing to sand and polish that part of the frame and then paint it again ... what a PITA this is
I read somewhere that the custom shop sands and finishes the frames of the ordered guns much better , so if the frames are both the same , I will put the p-rod trigger assembly on the 2400KT frame if the frame comes better finished . Looking at my 1377`s , I think they are exactly the same , except that the p-rod assembly uses a third pin , which is not used but ready to install on the 1377 /2400kt frames. Once again , what a PITA just to do things right
Well, I guess not ... the frames are the same but the 2400KT lacks the travel screw for the trigger and also another hole behind to make adjustments to the Sear , so ... no swapping of frames and the only route left is disassembling and sanding and painting the P-rod frame ... my luck is shinning brightly
I always use Duplicolor low gloss black , 500 degrees engine paint for my AK builts , so I will use the same for the frame . Maybe Crosman uses the same paint for their frames because it looks exactly like it
Of course, I can always leave it the way it came , but ... nahh... I`ll fix it
The Custom Shop frames appear (to me) just pick of the litter frames. Both of the Custom Shop 22xx frames I have came with minimal casting flash and are not sanded smooth. They do have the trigger travel adjusting screw, as do the 2300T/S.
If you have a 2400KT straight out of the box it should have the travel screw, if not? You got skint ???
Quote from: chongman on November 17, 2012, 08:51:43 PM
The Custom Shop frames appear (to me) just pick of the litter frames. Both of the Custom Shop 22xx frames I have came with minimal casting flash and are not sanded smooth. They do have the trigger travel adjusting screw, as do the 2300T/S.
If you have a 2400KT straight out of the box it should have the travel screw, if not? You got skint ???
You are right... mi bad . I was just comparing it to the 1377 frame that doesn`t have that travel screw . but most likely the 2400kt would not have the hole behind that travel screw (for adjusting the Sear`s hex key screws) so I guess that since I have gone to the trouble of upgrading the 2400kt , may as well give it the finish it deserves .
The hex key screws on the P-rd trigger are all loctited , so unless I tamper with the adjusting directly , they would not loose the setting from factory , so there would not be a problem handling it, carefully.
the older ccs guns had nicely refinished frames with cast marks removed, when that changed not sure
i just had my p-rod frame repainted but forgot to remove the casting mark.as long as the paint holds it will remain that way
Well, mine has very rough marks from the casting and some parts are not even painted ... around the trigger that will be seen is pretty bad . So, what I am going to do is :
diasssembly of the trigger completely (no problem)
strip the paint completely , leaving it on the naked pot metal , like I did with the 1377 .
but instead of polishing it , I will sand off all the imperfections with 400 sand paper and then after cleaning , spray it with Duplicolor black engine paint 500 degrees resistent (an old trick from AK building) low gloss . The paint need the light scratches from the 400 sanding to adhere well . After it dries , I will spray a coat of transparent Helmsman spar urethane , clear satin . That will seal the paint and protect it . It would be beautiful and nice to the touch .
Quote from: josey88 on November 19, 2012, 02:59:48 AM
Well, mine has very rough marks from the casting and some parts are not even painted ... around the trigger that will be seen is pretty bad . So, what I am going to do is :
diasssembly of the trigger completely (no problem)
strip the paint completely , leaving it on the naked pot metal , like I did with the 1377 .
but instead of polishing it , I will sand off all the imperfections with 400 sand paper and then after cleaning , spray it with Duplicolor black engine paint 500 degrees resistent (an old trick from AK building) low gloss . The paint need the light scratches from the 400 sanding to adhere well . After it dries , I will spray a coat of transparent Helmsman spar urethane , clear satin . That will seal the paint and protect it . It would be beautiful and nice to the touch .
have you ever warmed up the metal before painting?
im just wondering if that would make the paint stick better because the pores in the metal will open some
You make sure that the metal is not cold ... normal temp , then when it is dry you put on the oven with only 225 degress and just for 25 minutes, hanging . After that, the whole thingis ready . Sometimes , if there is a particular part that it is difficult, I hang it on top of the stove while on until is warm a little bit. I did that with some mags for my VZ-58 and they took the paint perfectly .
cool!
i have to find somewhere to use a oven,it will not happen in the kitchen oven at home
maybe i'll go get a toster oven from a second hand store for drying small parts
Quote from: 1377x on November 19, 2012, 05:42:21 AM
cool!
i have to find somewhere to use a oven,it will not happen in the kitchen oven at home
maybe i'll go get a toster oven from a second hand store for drying small parts
Why not ? I use the oven at home . Because the paint is already dry for at least few hours and you would hang the part on a wire inside the oven so it doesn`t touch anything , there is very little odor , if any at all .
I already stripped the frame and sanded, cleaned and painted it with the engine paint . Now is hanging in the garage , drying and tomorrow will be dry completely so here comes the Oven step . After the Oven , I will spray the urethane , wait 24 hours to dry (no oven this time) and that is it .
oh its a call beyond my control the oven is off limits like shooting in the house is now :(
the oven is brand new i should have saved the old oven for this reason
the toster ovens i was looking at not long ago are a decent size.i just need to get one of those digital thermometers
i had one like this but it got stolen along with my kill-a-watt.then i check and make sure the used oven is doing what it is supposed to
http://www.harborfreight.com/non-contact-laser-thermometer-96451.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/non-contact-laser-thermometer-96451.html)
Quote from: josey88 on November 19, 2012, 02:59:48 AM
Well, mine has very rough marks from the casting and some parts are not even painted ... around the trigger that will be seen is pretty bad . So, what I am going to do is :
diasssembly of the trigger completely (no problem)
strip the paint completely , leaving it on the naked pot metal , like I did with the 1377 .
but instead of polishing it , I will sand off all the imperfections with 400 sand paper and then after cleaning , spray it with Duplicolor black engine paint 500 degrees resistent (an old trick from AK building) low gloss . The paint need the light scratches from the 400 sanding to adhere well . After it dries , I will spray a coat of transparent Helmsman spar urethane , clear satin . That will seal the paint and protect it . It would be beautiful and nice to the touch .
Hi Mr. Josey..Am I right to assume that hi temp paint is enamel and would it not curl up if you spray coat it w/ clear urethane? I had my frames airbrushed by a pro but as nice as they look they are not impact resistant. A small bump would break the paint causing it to chip off. Best regards.
Well, this urethane is for wood . It is the most resistent thing I have ever seen ... all weather , outside and inside, really tough stuff, and it is , since is made for exterior/interior protection of wood , and wood contracts and expands , kind of flexible . I have done a couple of buttstocks and they look just like the first day , although I am careful handling my guns and I care about their appearance . I do not trow my guns around . I also did some mags . This thing is very , very tough . It is mostly an exterior all weather protective lacquer . I cannot attest if it would survive a drop from 6 feets up in the air (I think that the gun would not survive that , as well) but for the normal handling , with a normal care , it works .
It will seal and protect the paint from the wear and tear from the use . It comes in 3 flavors : clear satin , semi-gloss and high gloss . I use clear satin and when dry , you cannot tell it has been coated with .
It would not curl up . I have sprayed the urethane 1 hour after painting a part and it is fine , but usually I wait until the paint is completely dry ... 8 to 10 hours .
So where's the pictures ??? As they say, no pics it didn't happen :D
I have not finished it . I am putting it on the Oven for the paint final drying . This afternoon I will spray the urethane coat and tomorrow it will be done . I will put pics of it finished .
I forgot to ad that I have also used the urethane (the same clear satin, I don`t like shiny bling guns) on my PSL receiver cover and on the metal buttstock , and of course , in a few rifles wood stocks .
Some pics of the frame out of the Oven :
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/josey88/003-74.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/josey88/002-82.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/josey88/001-82.jpg)
The frame was very rough by the front of the grips (first pic) and inside the trigger ring , on one spot there was a mountain(literally) of material ... I had to use the Dremel to get it out . You can see (second pic) that now, it is smooth .
Quote from: josey88 on November 19, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
Well, this urethane is for wood . It is the most resistent thing I have ever seen ... all weather , outside and inside, really tough stuff, and it is , since is made for exterior/interior protection of wood , and wood contracts and expands , kind of flexible . I have done a couple of buttstocks and they look just like the first day , although I am careful handling my guns and I care about their appearance . I do not trow my guns around . I also did some mags . This thing is very , very tough . It is mostly an exterior all weather protective lacquer . I cannot attest if it would survive a drop from 6 feets up in the air (I think that the gun would not survive that , as well) but for the normal handling , with a normal care , it works .
It will seal and protect the paint from the wear and tear from the use . It comes in 3 flavors : clear satin , semi-gloss and high gloss . I use clear satin and when dry , you cannot tell it has been coated with .
It would not curl up . I have sprayed the urethane 1 hour after painting a part and it is fine , but usually I wait until the paint is completely dry ... 8 to 10 hours .
Ah yes we use this coating for wood tiles..I am also very meticulous w/ my wares I hate dings or scratches. When my 3 grips got done I tested the inside sections and got disappointed. Nice work btw. Best regards.
crossliner , I am still admiring your polished 1377... that is the most elegant pistol on this forum , no question about it . Perfect taste , classic elegance ... I am out of words to describe it
Yep, Josey,
Crossliner,
Droid,
Arkmaker,
Crosshairs,
Chongman,
.......Just to name a few,
of the many, here,
that all built excellent pistols. :-*
Quote from: josey88 on November 20, 2012, 08:54:48 PM
crossliner , I am still admiring your polished 1377... that is the most elegant pistol on this forum , no question about it . Perfect taste , classic elegance ... I am out of words to describe it
if you want to see shiny you need to see airgun100's guns
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,3609.15.html (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,3609.15.html)
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/LOC519/custom1377c2.jpg)
Now that's some bling. :D :D :D
(Looks to nice to shoot. Like it should be on display).
It does however look pretty Bitchen... :-*
Mr. Josey thank you but Mrs. Crosshairs, Airgun100 and some other gents' pistols should take the cake..Mine is just a simple build..Best regards.
Yes, many of the builds here are truly works of art ... I just happen to like the contrast of crossliner`s pistol on Chrome / polish and simplicity . Those screws are most certainly unique . The elegance of detail is fantastic ... there are more sophisticated builts here , of course ... I just love this one .
Thank you sir..The screws are not standard I had my bud machinist do his thing. Best regards.
Update on the frame : Well, After all the work I didn`t like the way it came out . It looked just kind of thick , and , since I didn`t want to do the whole thing again , I stripped the frame again to metal and this time I sprayed it with the same type of engine paint 500 degrees resistent , but on Semi-gloss and no Urethane . After 4 hours drying and 20 minutes on the Oven , it ws done . I re-assembled the trigger so I would not loose anything and I hanged it again . To be completely done it would need 3 or 4 days for the paint to cure .
This time I liked it ... it came out absolutely perfect , and it has a low gloss finish very nice .
Here are some pics :
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/josey88/006-62.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/josey88/004-69.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/josey88/002-83.jpg)
Good work came out excellent :-* :-* :-*
Quote from: josey88 on November 21, 2012, 01:23:45 AM
Yes, many of the builds here are truly works of art ... I just happen to like the contrast of crossliner`s pistol on Chrome / polish and simplicity . Those screws are most certainly unique . The elegance of detail is fantastic ... there are more sophisticated builts here , of course ... I just love this one .
i hear you there!
he does have a very cool gun if you are talking about the 1377 i really like what he did with the barrel band and screws with the bearings in them very unique! 8)
Quote from: 1377x on November 21, 2012, 06:47:01 AM
i hear you there!
he does have a very cool gun if you are talking about the 1377 i really like what he did with the barrel band and screws with the bearings in them very unique! 8)
I am still trying to figure out how CL accomplished the screws?????? They are really bicthen. :-*
The frame looks super nice :-*
Quote from: 0351_Vet on November 21, 2012, 05:51:35 PM
I am still trying to figure out how CL accomplished the screws?????? They are really bicthen. :-*
ask him i did ;)