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Are the trigger groups from a Prod and 1701P the same?

Started by Tacoma, November 29, 2024, 12:47:05 PM

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Tacoma

I'm looking at upgrading the trigger in a new 2300T.   In looking at pictures, these frames/trigger groups look to be the same. Are they? If not, is one better than the other?
I'll assume I'll need a new slotted hammer for either as well?
Thanks in advance!
Dave

CraigH

First the hammer.   A slotted hammer, slotted at the top front, is required for the use of rearward located 4-48 screw breeches.

What is needed is a hammer without the wasp-waist profile.

Since your pistol is a 2300T, both features above are needed.

The P-Rod and 1701 grip frame assemblies (GFA) are the same.  Many refer to these as the 1701 GFA - I prefer to called them P-Rod GFA's as their part number is 2220-103, and the P-Rod is model number BP2220.
Craig
Lone Tree, Colorado

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ped

not sure if anyone is doing the slotted hammers for them
might have to do the way and use jb weld in the waste
another way i have done it is to weld the waste at the bottomthen clean up
the release face i kept cool in a wet rag and more spot built up than continouse welding
I am also active on https://ukchineseairgunforum.com

Tacoma

Quote from: CraigH on November 29, 2024, 02:34:55 PMFirst the hammer.   A slotted hammer, slotted at the top front, is required for the use of rearward located 4-48 screw breeches.

What is needed is a hammer without the wasp-waist profile.

Since your pistol is a 2300T, both features above are needed.

The P-Rod and 1701 grip frame assemblies (GFA) are the same.  Many refer to these as the 1701 GFA - I prefer to called them P-Rod GFA's as their part number is 2220-103, and the P-Rod is model number BP2220.
It seems your answering allot of my questions lately, Craig. Thanks again.  You've been very helpful in getting my interest going with these cool pistols.  I suspected just what you stated in the trigger groups but thought i would confirm   I've got a Prod type set up from alliance hobby in my 2300S now. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing anything in not ordering a trigger group for a 1701P. ( I'm hooked and want to build a 2240XL or 2300T next. 
So out of curiosity, does a hammer from a P-rod  or 1701P fit into a 2300 series? ( My Kit from Alliance had the hammer included but wondered availability if I tried ordering direct from Crosman.

CraigH

Mellon has a solid hammer with the notch, but it's mild steel, not hardened.  (I have one or two)

But being mild stee, it could be drilled and tapped for a striker (and countersunk if desired) from the Maximus or CH2009 (SP?).

Will check pn's
Craig
Lone Tree, Colorado

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CraigH

I was partly wrong in the last post.  My Maximus (disassembled yesterday for upgrading the valve exhaust) has a CH2009 hammer and striker because I upgraded the rifle for a Mrod Gen1 trigger assembly.

That CH2009 striker could be used as previously mentioned.

Now I am wondering if that CH2009 hammer assembly could be installed in a 22xx pistol ........
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I cannot find a stock 22XX hammer for dimensions, or my composite constructed hammer at the moment.  :-[  >:(  :-[
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Here are the dimensions of the CH2009 hammer, which btw is slabbed:

Diameter - 0.737
Slabbed sides - 0.611
Hammer length - 1.3
Hammer with striker full retracted - 1.386

Part number for hammer assembly is CH2009-110


Craig
Lone Tree, Colorado

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CraigH

Another oversight.   Been a troublesome day and too much scurrying about.

The CH2009 hammer is not notched.   I notched the one I installed in the Maximus.

Back to a Mellon solid notched hammer, then drilled and tapped (possibly recessed) for the CH2009 striker.

I have installed the Mellon hammer and used it in its "soft" state.

Signing off for the day.    :)

Craig
Lone Tree, Colorado

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CraigH

The CH2009 Hammer

One as modified for rearward 4-48 breech

The other as received from Crosman
Craig
Lone Tree, Colorado

With freedom comes a terrible responsibility