Archer Super Sear

[AS13]

Anyone use them? Any good?
http://www.archerairguns.com/1322-SuperSear-for-Crosman-p/1322supersear.htm

[Crosshairs]

Here i go again learning something new, never knew he made them but it looks pretty cool i just might give it a try myself.
                                               Mike

[WyoMan]

That one might be pretty good....I use the 2-stage adjustable s-sear from AoA and with some polishing and good lube its pretty nice 
once you have 2-stage its hard to go back 

[DaveB50]

I just bought one, haven't put it in yet.

[quickster47 †]

This sear was designed by the same guy, Steve in NC - moniker on the Green and Yellow forums, who designed the 2-stage sear that AoA sells.  AoA also used to sell this sear but demand for it diminished after Steve came out with the 2-stage sear.  There has also been lots of mixed results with his 2-stage sear.  Some like it and some don't.  But then that's true with just about everything these days.

Steve is also the designer of the HDDs for most all of todays modifiable air guns.

Carl

[breakfastchef]

I very much disliked the AOA two-stage sear that Steve in NC designed. It was difficult to setup and the screws would creep so the settings would never stay put. I sold it soon after giving it a try. A few forum member here like the sear from AOA. I have not tried the super sear.

I think the money you would spend on that could go to better options that can improve the overall trigger group on a 13xx/22xx frame.

[quickster47 †]

I think the money you would spend on that could go to better options that can improve the overall trigger group on a 13xx/22xx frame.

For only a few dollars more you can get the complete 1701P trigger frame which is a significant improvement and gives you a true 2-stage trigger with real adjustments.

Carl

[WyoMan]

I very much disliked the AOA two-stage sear that Steve in NC designed. It was difficult to setup and the screws would creep so the settings would never stay put. I sold it soon after giving it a try. A few forum member here like the sear from AOA. I have not tried the super sear.

I think the money you would spend on that could go to better options that can improve the overall trigger group on a 13xx/22xx frame.

On mine the screws crept too until I crimped the ends of the adjustment springs and you are right about the money....
roller triggers, adjustable 2-stage, adjust sear spring and guide and pretty quick more than P-Rod group

[breakfastchef]

You are the master of identifying inference in one's words.

Yes, 1701P grip frame and trigger group is miles ahead of anything else you can cobble together in a stock 13xx grip frame. Not for everyone, but definitely for me.

For only a few dollars more you can get the complete 1701P trigger frame which is a significant improvement and gives you a true 2-stage trigger with real adjustments.

Carl

[mrb02334]

OK, newbie here. What is the diffrence between a stock trigger frame and a 1701P? Does it come with all the trigger parts or do you have to piece it togeather?
What model is the 1701P trigger frame from and will it fit a 2289? If I don't ask I won't learn anything.
Thanks,
Jon

[JEBert]

What is the diffrence between a stock trigger frame and a 1701P?

1701P/Maurader pistol trigger frame is a true two-stage trigger.  I also believe from seeing all of the parts that it is a drop-sear style.  The stock system on the 1377/1322/2289/2240/2250 guns is a sear that is held against the front of the hammer by a spring and pivoted away by the trigger.

Does it come with all the trigger parts or do you have to piece it togeather?

Part # 2220-103 is the entire trigger frame with all of the internals but not the grips.  The grips are #1700-031 (Left) and 1700-032 (Right).

All of the parts separately are:
29A    FRAME, TRIGGER    2220-018
29B    SCREW, ADJUSTER  2220-013
29C    SPRING, LINK  2220-022
29D    HOUSING, ADJUSTER  2220-015
29E    SPRING, SEAR  2220-024
29F    SCREW, 0-80 x .125, PPH  2220-026
29J    SEAR  2220-021
29K    PIN, DOWEL, .125 X .375  2220-025
29L    SPRING, TRIGGER  2220-023
29M    LINK, TRIGGER  2220-020
29N    SET SCREW, 4-40 x .312, OV PT  1763-055
Grip, Left - Black 1700-031
Grip, Right - Black  1700-032

What model is the 1701P trigger frame from and will it fit a 2289?

Crosman 1701P and/or the Maurader pistol.
Cheers,

[droid]

I have just been converted myself to the 1701P frames and have two now, very very nice.

Also managed to get some JB weld to mod the hammers which are not available over here yet. Boy did I make a mess doing that  That said I ended up with a lovely modded hammer in the end, just probably a messy way to get there.

[quickster47 †]

I have just been converted myself to the 1701P frames and have two now, very very nice.

Also managed to get some JB weld to mod the hammers which are not available over here yet. Boy did I make a mess doing that  That said I ended up with a lovely modded hammer in the end, just probably a messy way to get there.

Gary it does take a little practice but once you get the hang of it, it is easy to do.  Once I get the JB Weld mixed I put it all around the hammer and then loosely wrap a piece of masking tape around it and leave it there for 24 hours.  Then unwrap it and spin it in a lathe to smooth it out.  Once finished I coat the JB Weld with thin Cyanoacrylate (super glue) and then polish it.

Carl

[DaveB50]

I installed the Super Sear in my 2240 yesterday. It did make a very discernible difference in the trigger feel. It actually has two stages now, makes it a lot more predictable when it will fire. It does have a heavy (but short) trigger pull on the second stage with a stock Crosman spring. The spring I had shortened to reduce the pull of the horrible original trigger feel did not have enough pressure to hold the super sear in position (it rides under the sear pin instead of having a hole in it) without the gun being cocked.  I do plan on getting 1701P trigger frame group for my 2400kt, so when I do, I will update with differences I feel between the two guns.

[1377x]

interesting!